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Super Hi Res Enterprise

Bridge Windows, Stars Etc.:

Due to the motion blur, and the fact that two different images show very different angles of the saucer, I suspect that the entire Bridge would need to be rotating for the viewer to be a Window.

What we might be looking at is a Viewer that is such high resolution, with 3D projection capabilities, that it is made to Simulate a Windows.

The two shots we've seen indicate that it may be in a "screensaver" mode where it is simulating a slow 360 degree rotating view over the hull.

Most of the crew are getting functional data from their instruments rather than the viewer, which is really there for communication and situational awareness for command staff on the Bridge.

Helm/Nav are facing the viewer because they have need to work with it in critical situations.

The Captain needs the overall situation, so his seat rotates, but by default faces the viewer.

Everyone else is working on their own systems with views unique to their tasks, though I ssuspect that key information can be requested as needed by the Captain for the viewer or for navigation etc.

The reason for such a Screensaver mode behind the scenes may be to give some visual variety. It looks cool.


Ffs. Its the same damn shot! Just that one has a temporary/old visual effects shot of the saucer superimposed, -and the other one is a final version.

no rotating bridges, no randomly rotating screen savers...

Justa window, that can superimpose viewscreen type images on it.
 
st09_hr_spockvs_t.jpg


I throw this out for what it's worth then duck and cover in case anyone finds this suggestion so stupid that they want to throw things.
But --
Is there any confirmation that this is a picture of Spock on the main bridge, or is that just speculation? Could he be on a deck below the main bridge on that blister that sets on top of the saucer? A type of captain's ready-room? Secondary bridge? Whatever?
Comparing this image of the bridge from just after they've dropped out of warp approaching Vulcan (click on thumb for larger picture):



it's hard to say conclusively, but they look like the same screen.
 
Ffs. Its the same damn shot! Just that one has a temporary/old visual effects shot of the saucer superimposed, -and the other one is a final version.

no rotating bridges, no randomly rotating screen savers...

Justa window, that can superimpose viewscreen type images on it.

Look at the angle of the Saucer through the Window. Is the entire Bridge rotated 30-40 degrees?

Given that the Aft views and everything else is visually symentrical, the "-" in the NCC-1701 should be alighned directly ahead.

Instead, in both images, the "-" is too far to the right of spock to be the centerline.

Were this a Window, the entire Bridge must be rotated.

Also, looking at the shot from the Trailer, we don't see the forward part of the saucer as one would expect through the viewer at that angle.

Also, there IS a slight motion blur of the sides, so either the view is rotating on it's axis, the Enterprise is drifting sideways, or the Enterprise is rotating slowly to port.
 
Not to throw anymore gasoline onto the fire that's been generated from this thread, but isn't it plausible that the "viewscreen" is, in fact, a window with a visual interface built into it that, at the touch of a button or a voice command, can be directed on any target or location around the ship? That seems far more likely than the "rotating bridge" hypothesis.

That's what I and countleds others have suggested in this thread and others.

its the most logical explanation

No, the most logical explanation is that it's a viewscreen.

And again: No window on exterior of bridge structure.

In TNG the viewer was portrayed such that the image on the viewer changed depending on what angle you were looking at it from (like a window). But it wasn't a window, it was just a 'holographic viewscreen' or whatnot. It had this window-like quality during visual communications. From Picard's pov, the person on the viewer was looking right at him, while an angle from the side of the bridge would show the side of the person's face. Impossible on a modern TV screen, but obviously not a window.
 
Just to clarify, I was being sarcastic with the "Rotating Bridge" comment. My theory is that the view screen "camera" is doing the pan & scan.
 
Not to throw anymore gasoline onto the fire that's been generated from this thread, but isn't it plausible that the "viewscreen" is, in fact, a window with a visual interface built into it that, at the touch of a button or a voice command, can be directed on any target or location around the ship? That seems far more likely than the "rotating bridge" hypothesis.

That's what I and countleds others have suggested in this thread and others.

its the most logical explanation

No, the most logical explanation is that it's a viewscreen.

And again: No window on exterior of bridge structure.

In TNG the viewer was portrayed such that the image on the viewer changed depending on what angle you were looking at it from (like a window). But it wasn't a window, it was just a 'holographic viewscreen' or whatnot. It had this window-like quality during visual communications. From Picard's pov, the person on the viewer was looking right at him, while an angle from the side of the bridge would show the side of the person's face. Impossible on a modern TV screen, but obviously not a window.



But wait, a Window on the Bridge IS Canon on TNG...

Just watch the last half hour of 'NEM-E-MESS' .


http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/nemesis/ch19/nemesis559.jpg

I'm pretty sure that's not a door...

<sincker>:lol:
 
And again: No window on exterior of bridge structure.

You mean "no VISIBLE window..."

It's possible the window's simply shuttered. The "window" on the Kelvin is recessed. That could accommodate retractable shutters.

And wasn't the bridge of the original Enterprise off center as well?

Just a thought.

EDIT: Okay, I've just taken a long, hard look at the two images of the bridge viewscreen; one from Empire and one from TrekMovie.com.

If we're to assume these are both final images but representing two different frames, then the only logical explanation is that this is a viewscreen image projecting what a camera on the hull sees as it scans from its fixed vantage point. The dead giveaway is the hull markings. In the TrekMovie image, the perspective is all wrong if you're viewing the hull from the center of the ship. The lines are all wrong.

My guess is that this is a viewscreen image panning at a point somewhere below or perhaps within the ship's name since the words "ENTERPRISE" aren't visible.

Have fun picking that apart.
 
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Not to throw anymore gasoline onto the fire that's been generated from this thread, but isn't it plausible that the "viewscreen" is, in fact, a window with a visual interface built into it that, at the touch of a button or a voice command, can be directed on any target or location around the ship? That seems far more likely than the "rotating bridge" hypothesis.

That's what I and countleds others have suggested in this thread and others.

its the most logical explanation
Why?

You keep repeating, over and over, your PERSONAL OPINION, stating it as though it's somehow "fact," and then behaving as though it's some form of personal insult for everyone else not to agree.

Please address this one point, then. Show us, on any of the images of the "Abramsprise," where that window is. We have several shots where you'd be able to see this "window" if it existed, yet we can not. So either the SFX sequences we've been shown are incorrect, or this isn't really a window. There is no other option.

Now... we DO know that the Kelvin has windows on the top deck. And we've assumed (not unreasonable so, but it's still an ASSUMPTION) that this is where the Kelvin's bridge is. But do we know that? All we really know is that Deck 1 of the Kelvin has windows. And for anyone who's ever seen the classic Jupiter II from the original "Lost in Space" series, we see why they're there... the entire (presumed) bridge module on the Kelvin looks like the Jupiter II, nearly perfectly. So isn't it possible that those windows are there more as an homage to another of Abrams' favorite shows as for any "practical" reason?

Now... since we have no such physical, visible-from-outside "window" on the CGI Enterprise we've seen, that leaves us with two possibilities:

1) There is a real window, but it's somehow "hidden" (two-way mirror? A big metal shield over the windows that can drop away?)

2) It's NOT a real window, but is a holographic-capable display screen, showing images taken from any of the many sensor emplacements scattered about the ship. In which case, the image you see behind "Lecture-mode Spock" there might be taken from one of the triad of sensor clusters around the base of that bridge module (which are clearly duplicates of those seen on the TMP ship, though vastly oversized in comparison to that much more elegant work from 1979)

In other words... what you see here could be the image captured from a nearby "holocamera" external to the ship, not a "real, physical view."

Let me be clear - I HATE the idea that Abrams put a "window on the bridge," because it makes absolutely no technical sense. There are several central reasons for that:

1) Given a brightly-lit bridge (which we clearly have)... well, think about how much you can see, outside of your car, if you have the interior lights on at night and are driving in an area without tons of streetlights. SO... under most circumstances, a "bridge window" would simply appear to be a big black opening where the folks on the bridge would be able to see absolutely nothing.

2) Then there's the other extreme. Since in space, the only "ambient light" is starlight (no atmospheric scattering), when you get any form of lighting sufficient to be seen, it's going to be direct sunlight... and will be dazzlingly brilliant. BLINDINGLY so, in fact.

3) The only time a "window" makes any practical sense is when you're in orbit over a planet... and even then, solely for observation of said planet's surface. But a forward-facing window isn't particularly useful for that purpose, is it? In order to see the planet, you'd have to be FACING the planet. Possible? Sure... but considering how the primary sublight thrust system on the Enterprise is directional, and that to maintain orbits, we've been shown that they need active impulse power for corrections... well... it seems rather pointless to only be able to "see" the planet when you can't use your thrust source, doesn't it?

4) Obviously, for a "bridge main viewer" you need the ability to put whatever information or imagery you want onto it. Yes, it would be possible to have "overlays" on top of a window, and in certain circumstances, this would be highly desirable (say, for an atmospheric shuttle pilot's window). It's not impossible... but what possible advantage would this give for a STARSHIP bridge? It's hardly the same thing.

A starship "main viewer" has two main users... it's the main display for use by the helmsman during manual maneuvers, and it's the captain's main "what is my ship doing?" feedback mechanism. It can also be used as a "map display" during impromptu bridge-based briefing sessions and for major communications.

For the helmsman, it needs to be a heavily-processed, entirely configurable display. It needs to be able to show forward angle, of course, but any other angle as well. It needs to be able to show different magnification levels. It needs to have "information processing" in order to turn otherwise unviewable scenes into ones that the human eye (or any other species' eye for that matter) can easily process without having to strain... for brightness levels, but for other things as well. It needs to be ISOLATED from direct exposure to harmful energies (can't have the entire bridge crew's eyes getting flash-fried in their sockets, now, can we???)

It's only REAL, MEANINGFUL PURPOSES can be served only... ONLY... by it being a computer monitor... not by it being a "window."

So, either (1) it's not a physical window at all, or (2) Abrams' version of the Enterprise is both inconsistent (when viewed inside versus outside!) and utterly nonsensical and horrifically-poorly-designed (and thus utterly unusable).

I'm on the fence as to which of those two happen to be the case. But if it does turn out to be #2... then that's another reason that this movie will fulfill the "odd number curse."
 
Not to throw anymore gasoline onto the fire that's been generated from this thread, but isn't it plausible that the "viewscreen" is, in fact, a window with a visual interface built into it that, at the touch of a button or a voice command, can be directed on any target or location around the ship? That seems far more likely than the "rotating bridge" hypothesis.

That's what I and countleds others have suggested in this thread and others.

its the most logical explanation
Why?

You keep repeating, over and over, your PERSONAL OPINION, stating it as though it's somehow "fact," and then behaving as though it's some form of personal insult for everyone else not to agree.

Please address this one point, then. Show us, on any of the images of the "Abramsprise," where that window is. We have several shots where you'd be able to see this "window" if it existed, yet we can not. So either the SFX sequences we've been shown are incorrect, or this isn't really a window. There is no other option.

Now... we DO know that the Kelvin has windows on the top deck. And we've assumed (not unreasonable so, but it's still an ASSUMPTION) that this is where the Kelvin's bridge is. But do we know that? All we really know is that Deck 1 of the Kelvin has windows. And for anyone who's ever seen the classic Jupiter II from the original "Lost in Space" series, we see why they're there... the entire (presumed) bridge module on the Kelvin looks like the Jupiter II, nearly perfectly. So isn't it possible that those windows are there more as an homage to another of Abrams' favorite shows as for any "practical" reason?

Now... since we have no such physical, visible-from-outside "window" on the CGI Enterprise we've seen, that leaves us with two possibilities:

1) There is a real window, but it's somehow "hidden" (two-way mirror? A big metal shield over the windows that can drop away?)

2) It's NOT a real window, but is a holographic-capable display screen, showing images taken from any of the many sensor emplacements scattered about the ship. In which case, the image you see behind "Lecture-mode Spock" there might be taken from one of the triad of sensor clusters around the base of that bridge module (which are clearly duplicates of those seen on the TMP ship, though vastly oversized in comparison to that much more elegant work from 1979)

In other words... what you see here could be the image captured from a nearby "holocamera" external to the ship, not a "real, physical view."

Let me be clear - I HATE the idea that Abrams put a "window on the bridge," because it makes absolutely no technical sense. There are several central reasons for that:

1) Given a brightly-lit bridge (which we clearly have)... well, think about how much you can see, outside of your car, if you have the interior lights on at night and are driving in an area without tons of streetlights. SO... under most circumstances, a "bridge window" would simply appear to be a big black opening where the folks on the bridge would be able to see absolutely nothing.

2) Then there's the other extreme. Since in space, the only "ambient light" is starlight (no atmospheric scattering), when you get any form of lighting sufficient to be seen, it's going to be direct sunlight... and will be dazzlingly brilliant. BLINDINGLY so, in fact.

3) The only time a "window" makes any practical sense is when you're in orbit over a planet... and even then, solely for observation of said planet's surface. But a forward-facing window isn't particularly useful for that purpose, is it? In order to see the planet, you'd have to be FACING the planet. Possible? Sure... but considering how the primary sublight thrust system on the Enterprise is directional, and that to maintain orbits, we've been shown that they need active impulse power for corrections... well... it seems rather pointless to only be able to "see" the planet when you can't use your thrust source, doesn't it?

4) Obviously, for a "bridge main viewer" you need the ability to put whatever information or imagery you want onto it. Yes, it would be possible to have "overlays" on top of a window, and in certain circumstances, this would be highly desirable (say, for an atmospheric shuttle pilot's window). It's not impossible... but what possible advantage would this give for a STARSHIP bridge? It's hardly the same thing.

A starship "main viewer" has two main users... it's the main display for use by the helmsman during manual maneuvers, and it's the captain's main "what is my ship doing?" feedback mechanism. It can also be used as a "map display" during impromptu bridge-based briefing sessions and for major communications.

For the helmsman, it needs to be a heavily-processed, entirely configurable display. It needs to be able to show forward angle, of course, but any other angle as well. It needs to be able to show different magnification levels. It needs to have "information processing" in order to turn otherwise unviewable scenes into ones that the human eye (or any other species' eye for that matter) can easily process without having to strain... for brightness levels, but for other things as well. It needs to be ISOLATED from direct exposure to harmful energies (can't have the entire bridge crew's eyes getting flash-fried in their sockets, now, can we???)

It's only REAL, MEANINGFUL PURPOSES can be served only... ONLY... by it being a computer monitor... not by it being a "window."

So, either (1) it's not a physical window at all, or (2) Abrams' version of the Enterprise is both inconsistent (when viewed inside versus outside!) and utterly nonsensical and horrifically-poorly-designed (and thus utterly unusable).
Exactly.

I'm on the fence as to which of those two happen to be the case. But if it does turn out to be #2... then that's another reason that this movie will fulfill the "odd number curse."

I find it pretty damn unlikely to be number 2. Since it's a fan theory apparently based on nothing.
 
Not to throw anymore gasoline onto the fire that's been generated from this thread, but isn't it plausible that the "viewscreen" is, in fact, a window with a visual interface built into it that, at the touch of a button or a voice command, can be directed on any target or location around the ship? That seems far more likely than the "rotating bridge" hypothesis.

That's what I and countleds others have suggested in this thread and others.

its the most logical explanation
Why?

You keep repeating, over and over, your PERSONAL OPINION, stating it as though it's somehow "fact," and then behaving as though it's some form of personal insult for everyone else not to agree.

Please address this one point, then. Show us, on any of the images of the "Abramsprise," where that window is. We have several shots where you'd be able to see this "window" if it existed, yet we can not. So either the SFX sequences we've been shown are incorrect, or this isn't really a window. There is no other option.

Now... we DO know that the Kelvin has windows on the top deck. And we've assumed (not unreasonable so, but it's still an ASSUMPTION) that this is where the Kelvin's bridge is. But do we know that? All we really know is that Deck 1 of the Kelvin has windows. And for anyone who's ever seen the classic Jupiter II from the original "Lost in Space" series, we see why they're there... the entire (presumed) bridge module on the Kelvin looks like the Jupiter II, nearly perfectly. So isn't it possible that those windows are there more as an homage to another of Abrams' favorite shows as for any "practical" reason?

Now... since we have no such physical, visible-from-outside "window" on the CGI Enterprise we've seen, that leaves us with two possibilities:

1) There is a real window, but it's somehow "hidden" (two-way mirror? A big metal shield over the windows that can drop away?)

2) It's NOT a real window, but is a holographic-capable display screen, showing images taken from any of the many sensor emplacements scattered about the ship. In which case, the image you see behind "Lecture-mode Spock" there might be taken from one of the triad of sensor clusters around the base of that bridge module (which are clearly duplicates of those seen on the TMP ship, though vastly oversized in comparison to that much more elegant work from 1979)

In other words... what you see here could be the image captured from a nearby "holocamera" external to the ship, not a "real, physical view."

Let me be clear - I HATE the idea that Abrams put a "window on the bridge," because it makes absolutely no technical sense. There are several central reasons for that:

1) Given a brightly-lit bridge (which we clearly have)... well, think about how much you can see, outside of your car, if you have the interior lights on at night and are driving in an area without tons of streetlights. SO... under most circumstances, a "bridge window" would simply appear to be a big black opening where the folks on the bridge would be able to see absolutely nothing.

2) Then there's the other extreme. Since in space, the only "ambient light" is starlight (no atmospheric scattering), when you get any form of lighting sufficient to be seen, it's going to be direct sunlight... and will be dazzlingly brilliant. BLINDINGLY so, in fact.

3) The only time a "window" makes any practical sense is when you're in orbit over a planet... and even then, solely for observation of said planet's surface. But a forward-facing window isn't particularly useful for that purpose, is it? In order to see the planet, you'd have to be FACING the planet. Possible? Sure... but considering how the primary sublight thrust system on the Enterprise is directional, and that to maintain orbits, we've been shown that they need active impulse power for corrections... well... it seems rather pointless to only be able to "see" the planet when you can't use your thrust source, doesn't it?

4) Obviously, for a "bridge main viewer" you need the ability to put whatever information or imagery you want onto it. Yes, it would be possible to have "overlays" on top of a window, and in certain circumstances, this would be highly desirable (say, for an atmospheric shuttle pilot's window). It's not impossible... but what possible advantage would this give for a STARSHIP bridge? It's hardly the same thing.

A starship "main viewer" has two main users... it's the main display for use by the helmsman during manual maneuvers, and it's the captain's main "what is my ship doing?" feedback mechanism. It can also be used as a "map display" during impromptu bridge-based briefing sessions and for major communications.

For the helmsman, it needs to be a heavily-processed, entirely configurable display. It needs to be able to show forward angle, of course, but any other angle as well. It needs to be able to show different magnification levels. It needs to have "information processing" in order to turn otherwise unviewable scenes into ones that the human eye (or any other species' eye for that matter) can easily process without having to strain... for brightness levels, but for other things as well. It needs to be ISOLATED from direct exposure to harmful energies (can't have the entire bridge crew's eyes getting flash-fried in their sockets, now, can we???)

It's only REAL, MEANINGFUL PURPOSES can be served only... ONLY... by it being a computer monitor... not by it being a "window."

So, either (1) it's not a physical window at all, or (2) Abrams' version of the Enterprise is both inconsistent (when viewed inside versus outside!) and utterly nonsensical and horrifically-poorly-designed (and thus utterly unusable).

I'm on the fence as to which of those two happen to be the case. But if it does turn out to be #2... then that's another reason that this movie will fulfill the "odd number curse."

Interesting. I still think it's a window, and you're all missing one rather important point:

Why would a viewscreen reflect bridge lights? If it was a viewer, you'd expect the entire surface to be as anti-reflective as possible and only display what it wants to display. This is clearly not the case.

What it does look like is a big glass (or similar material) window, where you can clearly look around the ship (such as the saucer that's in shot)... and when they need to see the ship approaching from starboard. An overlay is displayed, in the same way those overlay graphics in the corner seem to be 'hovering' over the window/viewscreen.

It is also cooler from a set-production point of view. A giant observation window at the front of the ship (like what the Kelvin clearly has)... that can have lots of things overlayed on top of it. Much more of a wow factor than just a big computer monitor.
 
The wrong shape. Too low on the Bridge module, and there are two similar openings to the side, and windows are not physically there in the Bridge interior shots we've seen to match with them.
 
Please address this one point, then. Show us, on any of the images of the "Abramsprise," where that window is.

EnterpriseWindow.jpg

- Side "windows" not reflected in interior Bridge shots.
- Scale of Enterprise and size of Bridge interior do not match up. Look at the size of the welders.
- Angle of saucer section in both versions of the viewer shot do not match with window being centered facing forward.

Not a window.
 
No, it's the right shape. There are two panes. The one on the inside is smaller.

As for it being too low, this is Abrams' Enterprise. Liberties have been taken. But from what I've seen, the bridge has a pretty high ceiling, not unlike the original.

The scale matches perfectly with the welders.

The windows on the sides are shuttered in the shots we've seen, not that we've seen the bridge from every angle.

So of course it's a window. The ship has windows all over the place. No reason why they wouldn't put one on the most dynamic part of the ship.

EDIT: And here's the position where the camera is probably panning from:

EnterpriseCamera.jpg
 
And no the bridge doesn't rotate. Surely it's infinitely more plausible that the ship is simply moving slowly?

Well, if you're going to go with a physical window, you might as well make the bridge rotate, too, since that's easier than moving the whole ship whenever you want to "look around."

The window also acts as a viewscreen.

Sure, but if it acts as a viewscreen, then there's no need for a window.

So somebody somewhere decided to go one step further and add a physical window, for reasons unknown.

So, if you're going to take an unnecessary leap and add a window that you don't need, you might as well make the bridge rotate too. ;)

(And no, I don't think the bridge rotates.)
 
I ask again, why would a viewscreen reflect bridge lights?

st09_hr_spockvs_t.jpg


Unless it where a window made of extra stong glass that turns into a viewscreen when needed. IE, a non-reflective one.

It makes sense, and would look cooler in the film anyway.
 
What we have here is a mystery that cannot be solved until we see the movie, and maybe not even then. (Unless someone in an interview 'splains it.)

There's definitely conflicting information.

For the record, I don't care if it's a window or not.

My guess is that, if it is a window, the main reason for it is that -- from a set design perspective -- it opens up the bridge, makes the bridge seem less like a closed set on a soundstage, and reminds the audience just how close these people are to the death of space outside. In other words, it's more for the audience than it is for the crew. Or, as chicks like to say, "Fashion before function."
 
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