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Starship Phasers

James Wright

Commodore
Commodore
What's the differance between type-VIII phasers supposedly carried by the Excelsior and Enterprise-B and the type-X phasers carried by the Galaxy and Nebula class starships?
I know that the older Excelsiors have phaser banks while the Galaxy and Nebula have phaser arrays.
How much punch do the two types have?

James
 
One would think that phaser "type" refers to its destructive power, and not, say, to the state of advancement. That is, phaser 10 is not necessarily newer than phaser 8, but it is likely to be more powerful. After all, this is established in the terminology regarding hand phasers, for which a 24th century sidearm and a 23rd century sidearm both carry the designation "Type 2".

No doubt Type 8 phasers exist in strip form in the 24th century - and possibly Type 10 phasers existed in the 23rd, in turret form. So we probably can't tell the difference by looks alone. As for destructive power, that of Excelsiors is not observably different from that of Galaxies in the TNG era. Then again, we don't know that the Excelsior guns would still be Type 8 in that era; perhaps they have been upgraded to Type 10?

No doubt there are differences in firepower, and they are big enough to justify two steps between Excelsior and Galaxy. They just aren't all that evident in starship combat, where the effect of a strong beam against a strong shield is likely to be similar to that of a weak beam against a weak shield.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually, "type" apears to refer to just that: the "type" of weapon described. Like "Type 1" phaser describes any phaser weapon small enough to be confused with a garage door opener, while Type-2 includes anything from a hand phaser to the dustbuster and so on. Type-3 of course, is a rifle, while Type-4 is something the size of a Browning machinegun too big to be portable but too small to be used as a cannon.

Then you're getting into larger models. Type-5 probably describes the field gun from "The Cage." Type-6 would fit with slightly larger units like the phase cannons on Enterpirse, though those could arguably be Type-5 as well. Type-7 is a phaser weapon large enough that you can't gimbal the whole unit, so you need to have the phaser mounted on the hull with a steerable emitter (ball turrets like the TMP ship). Type-8, in this case, probably means something like the rollbar phasers on the Miranda class or some other large phaser system where the beam is split between two emitters from a single source.

No idea what Type-9 would be, but I'd guess it would resemble the middle ground between Type-8 and Type-10, with a large singular phaser weapon discharging through an entire strip of emitters that can split the beam as many ways as the weapons officer wants or steer the beam any number of ways. Type-10, of course, is this revolutionary system with multiple small emitters all hooked up in series that can combine their power into a singular beam.

And then there's Type-12... what do you think? Multiple emitters hooked up in parallel that can all fire together or individually?

Now, if you really wanted to talk about firepower, you're talking model numbers and patents, not "type." A Type-2 phaser from the 22nd century is nowhere near as powerful as one from the late 24th.
 
What is a phaser coil and what part does it play in the operation of the phasers?

James

It's probably just technobabble from producers who think everything powerful requires some kind of "coil". But off the top of my head, I would assume its a firing component that handles alot of electromagnetic energy; probably the thing just before the emitter crystal.
 
Well Rick Sternbach noted in an Internet post that the Sovereign class had Type XII phasers with an output of 7.2MW per emitter vs. the 5.1MW per emitter the TNG Tech Manual gives for the Type X phasers mounted on the Galaxy class. To me, the two emitters look identical so I always assumed the Type XII just supported more energy per emitter unit thanks to advances in the decades between their entries into service.

The TNGTM also mentions Type XI(?) "shore batteries" which were more powerful then Type X units (to operate through a planetary atmosphere), but were too large to effectively mount on a starship.
 
^I never heard of Type-12 anywhere but in a Star Trek: The Magazine article. Do you have any documentation that this idea came from Sternbach? I didn't put much stock in it, since it made no sense to me that the Sovereign-class starship, the prototype of which was probably well under construction by then, could have heavier phasers than the still-classified type-X+ units used by starbases at that time. The phasers on Enterprise-E certainly don't look any bigger relative to the ship.
 
Well Rick Sternbach noted in an Internet post that the Sovereign class had Type XII phasers with an output of 7.2MW per emitter vs. the 5.1MW per emitter the TNG Tech Manual gives for the Type X phasers mounted on the Galaxy class. To me, the two emitters look identical so I always assumed the Type XII just supported more energy per emitter unit thanks to advances in the decades between their entries into service.

The TNGTM also mentions Type XI(?) "shore batteries" which were more powerful then Type X units (to operate through a planetary atmosphere), but were too large to effectively mount on a starship.

By the time of the Sovereign, Type XII operational guts were miniaturized to fit in Type X-XI emitter shells. And anyhow, Internet posts aren't canon. :lol: I suspect that Type XIIs are about as high as anyone would need, though who knows what they are on the NuEnt. Type XXXIV? Pew! Pew! Pew!

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com
 
By the time of the Sovereign, Type XII operational guts were miniaturized to fit in Type X-XI emitter shells. And anyhow, Internet posts aren't canon. :lol: I suspect that Type XIIs are about as high as anyone would need, though who knows what they are on the NuEnt. Type XXXIV? Pew! Pew! Pew!

Rick
www.spacemodelsystems.com

It's now canon that internet posts aren't canon! Wait...

That's probably good news, since the idea of Enterprise-E outgunning a starbase kind of skeeves me out. ;)
 
^

Sounds reasonable. I believe a Sketchbook graphic showed the Enterprise-B to have type-8s, so I wouldn't have trouble accepting the type-7 as being the previous top of the heap and perhaps having made its first (non-starbase) appearance on the uprated TMP Enterprise. I think the DS9 Tech Manual sensibly lists type-7 for Miranda-class starships as well.
 
If the Enterprise-B is armed with type 8 phasers, the same type as the Excelsior, what does this tell you about advancement in phaser technology between the launching of the Excelsior and the launching of the Enterprise-B?

James
 
^I wouldn't necessarily expect a major generational advancement in phasers in the amount of time that passed between the development of the Excelsior and launch of a new Excelsior-class ship less than 15 years later. There may have been some incremental improvements.
 
I'll again remind you that "type" doesn't necessarily imply anything more than the literal "type" of weapon being used. That Excelsior may be equipped with Type-8 phasers would have nothing whatsoever to do with technology and alot more to do with the tactical requirements of the ship. Sort of like an away team being equipped with Type-3 phasers.
 
True ...
At the same time though, a lot of the phaser types were associated with different yields and possibly capabilities ... although the latter would likely not be true as the fundamental principles upon which phasers operate would remain the same.

Higher phaser types would likely mean: improved efficiency and higher yield.
 
That's probably good news, since the idea of Enterprise-E outgunning a starbase kind of skeeves me out. ;)

Even if the Enterprise-E had better phasers than a Starbase, that does not automatically mean it'd out gun it. The base could have a lot more phasers, and a lot more power to fire them with.
 
Higher phaser types would likely mean: improved efficiency and higher yield.

No, higher phaser types mean exactly that: different type. The higher efficiency and yield would be indicated by model number or class, and there's bound to be some overlap over the century.

You could extrapolate this even to modern weaponry. Say, for example, that a particular WW-II era light cruiser is equipped with a battery of 5-inch 38-caliber guns. You then put this cruiser in a lineup next to its modern Ticonderoga-class counterpart, with a 5-inch 54 caliber gun. In trek lingo you would refer to both guns as "Type-5 rifles," but that doesn't describe the model number or capabilities. Even weapons of the same caliber--the modern Mk-45 on the Ticonderoga and the old Mk-42s it replaced--had different capabilities and firing rates, different hitting power, fired different ammunition and had different ranges of accuracy.

The same is undoubtedly true in treknology. A Type-2 phaser of the 22nd century is probably less powerful than a Type-1 phaser of the 24th. Likewise, the presumably "Type-5" phaser cannons of NX-01 were almost certainly less accurate, less efficient and less powerful than any of the Type-5 mounts of the 23rd and 24th century, and lacked some of their modern capabilities (such as, for example, remote power beaming as demonstrated in The Cage).

By the same token, it's entirely likely that some Type-8 and Type-10 phaser banks existed even in the early 23rd century. Technical complications would have precluded their use on starships for the same reason that ICBMs have never been installed on surface warships (the phaser arrays of the TMP era were probably the size of skyscrapers). As technology reduced their size and increased efficiency, Type-8, -9 and -10 weapons became smaller and efficient enough that portable versions of them could be fielded to fleet service.
 
That's probably good news, since the idea of Enterprise-E outgunning a starbase kind of skeeves me out. ;)

Even if the Enterprise-E had better phasers than a Starbase, that does not automatically mean it'd out gun it. The base could have a lot more phasers, and a lot more power to fire them with.

More to the point: the Enterprise-E clearly DOESN'T have the firepower of a starbase, given its performance against the Son'a and the Scimitar.
 
To develop a starship mounted phaser that has a firing rate similar to a gatling gun to prevent starships being rammed, what developments in technology has to take place?
I think the Defiant and the Klingon BoP have Firing rates similar to 20mm and 40mm AA guns seen in World War II.


James
 
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