Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4

[DarthPipes]

What bothered me about Trespass is how the entire treachery of Slick was sort of shurgged off by Anakin and Obi-Wan, when they should have been going straight to the Jedi council to say, "hey... we're in deep shit. Ventress can just 'buy off' any of our clones for a price. We should have a chat with the Kaminoans." Instead Anakin just says something like, "let's go win this war" and the incident seems to have no lingering importance.

What bothered me there was that Anakin, as an ex-slave, should have been more sympathetic to Slick's argument. Missed opportunity there although I believe the next CW episode finally addresses Anakin and slavery. Though not with the clones.

Give Krell credit for one thing though...he sees the Jedi don't have a future and he's polishing up his resume.

I was wondering too what Rex reported about Krell to the Jedi.

 

[DarKush]

I really enjoyed the end of this four-parter. So glad we got Krell's motivation. I was just expecting them to make it that he was suffering from adverse mental effects due to the war, but his dark side turn was pretty cool. I do wish though that when they came for him and he paid homage to Palpatine in ROTS that he brandished red lightsabers. That would've been so awesome for me. But other than that, it was a very good episode, a nice set up for ROTS.

I have to wonder if Palpatine wasn't aware of Krell's turn and was giving him a chance to prove himself?

 

[Yevetha]

What bothered me about Trespass is how the entire treachery of Slick was sort of shurgged off by Anakin and Obi-Wan, when they should have been going straight to the Jedi council to say, "hey... we're in deep shit. Ventress can just 'buy off' any of our clones for a price. We should have a chat with the Kaminoans." Instead Anakin just says something like, "let's go win this war" and the incident seems to have no lingering importance.

They probably made millions of tests on Slick ofscreen.

 

[Set Harth]

I believe the next CW episode finally addresses Anakin and slavery.

This was touched on slightly by the TCW film showing that Anakin hates Hutts.

 

[Saul]

What an excellent episode and ending to the arc. I understand people's comments about Krell but a bigot Jedi (besides Anakin) might not fit so well with the whole Jedi way.

Action in this episode was great as it was with the previous episodes in the arc. It was really a "clone wars" series with this arc. I'd love to see more episodes like this. Seeing Clones take on powerful Villains that are usually taken care of by Jedi makes the action more tense. Before I didn't give a crap about Clones but now I love these guys.

 

[DarthPipes]

I believe the next CW episode finally addresses Anakin and slavery.

This was touched on slightly by the TCW film showing that Anakin hates Hutts.

It was slightly but it shouldn't have ended with Anakin all buddy-buddy with Jabba. Maybe no buddy-buddy but he shouldn't be resasurring Jabba he'll get the job done. Anakin will work with the Hutts because Palpatine says so but only because of that.

 

[Set Harth]

He already has his own reasons to be mad at Dooku. That killing Dooku might please Jabba is incidental.

 

[timothy]

well finally got to watch friday's episode and I gota tell you I am so glad he's dead.
now question during order 66 sceens in the movie cody had a direct com link to papaltine does'nt REX have and if not why not since he's so close to anikan?

 

[Mr Light]

They did the impossible and made me really enjoy four episodes in a row starring clones I do wish Krell was just a power mad incompetent asshole though and not an actual villain. It was damn cool to see the clones justly turning on a Jedi General.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I'm giving thumbs up to the Krell four-parter.

SPOILERS TO FOLLOW!!!!

The resolution of why Krell was acting that way was a surprise for me. At first I was a little disappointed. I had considered it, since Krell was sent in to replace Anakin, while delivering orders sending Anakin directly to Palpatine, but it was down on my list of possibilities. Ahead were things like being prejudiced against the clones, having had a bad experience with the clones, being a dunderhead, knowing something we don't. My initial disappointment was because those possibilities, which I had thought were played up, might be reduced to red herrings. But then I realized I felt disappointment emotionally because I was disappointed that as a Jedi of admirable warrior qualities had fallen. In a way [i.e. from a certain point of view ], all those possibilities higher up on my list are really true and not just red herrings. In particular, he was prejudiced against the clones because he thought they couldn't win anyway.

From my experience, this is certainly a high-water mark for grittiness in a cartoon aimed at children. Given our recent and still ongoing wars IRL, this is probably not a bad thing.

With respect to the issue of the clones exceeding their conditioning, it's inevitable that it will come up. Now what's really interesting is that this four-parter has, as others have pointed out, provided a fascinating justifiable context for Order 66 not stated in ROTS: to kill Jedi because they are collaborating with the enemy. And here we have a fallen Jedi who was doing just that. ROTS provides no text of Order 66, and the current EU text of the order, given at http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Order_66, states an unsurprisingly broad context for the order:

In the event of Jedi officers acting against the interests of the Republic

This shows that TCW is measurably improving upon the text of the PT, by adding depth to that which was rendered on screen only vaguely and with broad strokes. When word gets out about Krell, clones should believe Jedi can turn traitor, and their execution of Order 66 will not necessarily just happen in accordance with blind faith. Oh, what was missing in the PT!

 

[Christopher]

But then I realized I felt disappointment emotionally because I was disappointed that as a Jedi of admirable warrior qualities had fallen.

What admirable warrior qualities? They went out of their way to paint Krell as an incompetent commander whose every decision was in defiance of common sense and led to disasters that everyone else could see coming a mile away. He was painted as such an irrational idiot that it was never believable that he could've become a general in the first place.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

He was a good warrior. He proved it in battle against his clones, lasting much longer than most Jedi we saw in ROTS.

It turned out he knew better than the orders he was giving, which he was giving precisely to use up his men. By giving those orders, it shows that he knew how to give good orders; he simply chose to give opposite orders. He was good in battle. I believe that if he had led from the front they would have easily won. He had simply chosen to ensure defeat, instead of victory, by sabotaging their plans.

My statement is precisely accurate. It was a shame he fell, because the Republic lost a good warrior.

Of course I wasn't admiring his evil behavior. I was simply pointing out the evidence of a great warrior who had fallen.

 

[Christopher]

But it's only in retrospect, after you know he was a villain deliberately sabotaging the mission, that you realize he wasn't just a total incompetent making arbitrary bad decisions for the sake of being a straw-man antagonist. So it's still a weak way of developing a character. The story should've given us some reason up front to respect Krell's abilities so that the conflict wouldn't be so one-dimensional and hard to believe.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Yeah, it's a shame we only saw him once he had become an enormous butthole.

When they remake the PT someday as a 20 chapter cycle of 2+ hour holoadventures, I'd like to see what made Krell fall.

 

[Caliburn24]

The Krell four-parter was interesting(mostly because we did not know who was going make it, amazing what suspense can do), but ultimately unsatisfying to me because Krell was so poorly written.

Unfortunately the two most interesting scenes were left out. How Anakin reacts to the news of Krell's turn, and how the Jedi Council reacts to the news of clones killing one of their own.

Oh, and I have a suspicion Krell isn't dead. A single pistol blast to the chest killing a creature that big? We'll see...

 

[timothy]

he was shot in the back not in the chest.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

wow great 4 ep arc. does anyone know how strong krell is in comparison to other jedi? why could he see the future and nobody else could?

 

[Christopher]

why could he see the future and nobody else could?

If he said he could see the future, I don't think that should be taken as literal truth. It's a common rhetorical device for people to claim they've seen the future, meaning that they believe they know which way events are inevitably heading. I think Krell just let his ambition and bitterness lead him to the Dark Side and he convinced himself that the Dark Side was destined to rule and he wanted to join the winning side.

 

[Set Harth]

If he said he could see the future, I don't think that should be taken as literal truth. It's a common rhetorical device for people to claim they've seen the future, meaning that they believe they know which way events are inevitably heading.

Things are somewhat different in SW. Though the future is always in motion, Force-users do sometimes have visions of the future, and what one Force-user sees may not be seen by others. We have the example of Sifo-Dyas. The ROTS novel says Sense the future, once all Jedi could; now few alone have this skill.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I don't see any reason to doubt that Krell had an accurate vision of the future, which would only need to mean that he saw a sliver. He may have seen the Empire risen and the Jedi all but gone. But only a Jedi already fallen would take such a vision to mean to appease the rising evil, since it was the task of the Jedi who survived to overthrow the Emperor and replace the Empire with a new Republic. Krell's ability to see what was coming, apparently better than any other Jedi we know of, would be another reason why his fall was a real shame.