Star Trek: World War III

[dan_bevan]

Has anyone ever wanted to see more explained or shown about the "World War 3" that was meant to have happened on Earth sometime in the 21st Century, i think this would be an excellent plot for a future Trek Film, we know that Khan was involved in the war and that much of the planet was devastated by nuclear weopons causing mass casualties.

What if an alien species from the future arrived at Earth during the war to alter the outcome of the war and strike humanity while it is at its weakest, and then the Enterprise arrives from the future to stop the aliens, it could be the original Enterprise led by James T Kirk who once again faces off against his oldest enemy Khan and also has to face a group of new deadly aliens intent on destroying all of humanity.

Sound a good plot anyone?

 

[Joisey]

No, I'm sick of Trek time travel plots. The Temporal Cold War killed off the last series as it is. Wasn't that enough for you?

WWIII was referred to as "your WWIII", therefore it was an Intra-human Earth war, not an interstellar one. The most logical thing would be to refer to the WOT as WWIII, but nobody in Hollywood will want to risk offending the Muzzies, so I think this topic will stay on the shelf. Who wants to see a Star Trek movie about our own century, anyway? We go to see Star Trek to escape our reality, not dwell on it.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a Trek that was all about Khan before he went bonkers and all. Something like this would be interesting if it made Khan the hero of the piece.

What you outline is Star Trek: First Contact - been there.

Sharr

 

[seigezunt]

no time travel.

no more Khan. The last one was good enough.

no fanwank.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

My objection to a story like that is different from that which is being made by everyone else.

My objection is that it's TOO BIG.

You can't do a movie about World War II. No movie can deal with a subject that big.

You can do a story about PEOPLE, and set it in that period, however, and it'll work. See "Saving Private Ryan" (which I think was good but very much overrated) or "Band of Brothers" (which I think is a masterpiece, but would NEVER have worked as a two-hour movie!) Both of those are deeply PERSONAL stories. They just happen to be set in a huge, dramatic SETTING.

If you want to tell a story about World War III... don't tell me about the vast war, or about alien conspiracies. Tell me about the CHARACTERS, and what they'll be going through. Don't tell me "the lead will be a hero and he'll have a sidekick" and all that jazz. Tell me what trials the hero will go through, and why I (as a possible viewer of this film) should CARE about what this many (or woman?) is going through.

Without that, all the "set dressing" in the world is wasted.

So.... tell me, Dan... and I'm not being flip, I'm quite serious and sincere... tell me whose perspective this film is told from, why I should like this person and identify with this person, and what specific "human-relatable" situation this character will find him or herself in that I'll find interesting and exciting to watch him/her work through.

In other words... don't make the mistake most "fan proposals" make... don't just create a broad pallet. Tell me a story...

 

[Jack Bauer]

Sounds way too much like First contact.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Khan wasn't involved in World War III but the Eugenetics War that preceeded it.


Admiral Young

 

[ancient]

No, I can't say a time travel movie about WWIII really floats my boat.

It could work, like anything else though.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Not interested in war stories about made-up "Star Trek" wars.

 

[Sharr Khan]

Admiral_Young said:
Khan wasn't involved in World War III but the Eugenetics War that preceeded it.


Admiral Young

There was time when these were one and the same... until Encounter at Farpoint contradicted Spocks line that "The Eugenics War, oh yes your world's last so called 'World War'." - See how Gene respected continuity?

Sharr

 

[Michael_Kroh]

FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse is an online novel that hails from the post-atomic year of 2079 AD...

The supercarrier APC Iron Horse is outfitted to carry the building blocks of recovery through the Frontier of a shattered American Wasteland.

She is wheel-dependant, hydrogen/solar powered, and six primary cars in length. The Iron Horse's hydrogen power supply can be refueled at any water source, so she may negotiate the Frontier almost indefinitely. She is two lanes wide and crowds the shambling roadways of tommorrow. Crew approx. 25 persons.

The APC carries ancillary environmental mechs (CATS) for exploring dirty / radioactive areas. Agile and strong, with quad-track-to-quadruped differential allows a four legged climb and gallop.

Our diplomat, Mr. Steel of Vulcan, is twenty Standard years old, and has lived fifteen of those years here on Earth. His hair is long and will not be cut until First Rites are passed. His mission is First Contact to the variety of human civilizations the Iron Horse encounters.

Some areas are advanced, others regressed, others spiritual or tribal and so on. Even others are repressed (LANDRU) by technology, or large geopolitical factions such as the infamous Colonel Green, and his mighty army of the Fifteen Optimal States...

Product placemnet is subtle. (Caterpillar, Levis, Timex, etc.)

...and so on. Anyone who might be digging this premise are invited to tune in to the adventures of FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse, now showing on the FanFiction board...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

WWIII movie? Sure. No time-travelling aliens, tho. Save those for the WWII time travel movies with aliens siding with the Nazis...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I'd like to second the notion that The Iron Horse is teh awesome, BTW. :thumbsup:

 

[Michael_Kroh]

Thank you, sir.

(Tips hat)

 

[seigezunt]

Michael_Kroh said:
FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse is an online novel that hails from the post-atomic year of 2079 AD...

The supercarrier APC Iron Horse is outfitted to carry the building blocks of recovery through the Frontier of a shattered American Wasteland.

She is wheel-dependant, hydrogen/solar powered, and six primary cars in length. The Iron Horse's hydrogen power supply can be refueled at any water source, so she may negotiate the Frontier almost indefinitely. She is two lanes wide and crowds the shambling roadways of tommorrow. Crew approx. 25 persons.

The APC carries ancillary environmental mechs (CATS) for exploring dirty / radioactive areas. Agile and strong, with quad-track-to-quadruped differential allows a four legged climb and gallop.

Our diplomat, Mr. Steel of Vulcan, is twenty Standard years old, and has lived fifteen of those years here on Earth. His hair is long and will not be cut until First Rites are passed. His mission is First Contact to the variety of human civilizations the Iron Horse encounters.

Some areas are advanced, others regressed, others spiritual or tribal and so on. Even others are repressed (LANDRU) by technology, or large geopolitical factions such as the infamous Colonel Green, and his mighty army of the Fifteen Optimal States...

Product placemnet is subtle. (Caterpillar, Levis, Timex, etc.)

...and so on. Anyone who might be digging this premise are invited to tune in to the adventures of FIRST CONTACT: The Iron Horse, now showing on the FanFiction board...

Remember the movie "Damnation Alley," anyone?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Iron Horse makes the Landmaster look like a Tonka toy...

And the mission is totally different. The Iron Horse is trying to bring civilization to the country again. All they were trying to do in Damnation Alley is get to Albany, NY...

 

[Michael_Kroh]

Also see Gene Roddenberry's Genesis II ...

 

[Plum]

... I've always hated the idea of WWIII in Trek. When I heard of it in Farpoint I was shocked.

I thought the whole point of Trek was that the Human Species avoided nuclear apocalypse.

seigezunt said:

Remember the movie "Damnation Alley," anyone?

Yup! Watch out for the cockroaches!

 

[Sharr Khan]

Plum said:
... I've always hated the idea of WWIII in Trek. When I heard of it in Farpoint I was shocked.

I thought the whole point of Trek was that the Human Species avoided nuclear apocalypse.

...There always was a WW III in Trek, but it used to be known first and foremost as "The Eugenics Wars".

Obviously we did survive a nuclear holocaust given there were humans about in the 23rd and 24th Centuries...

Sharr

 

[Vulcanian]

It sounds kinda cool, but leave it to a book or something.