Star Trek V Hangar Deck Set

[Galileo7]

NCC-1701-A Enterprise Class HANGAR DECK SET from the 1989 movie STAR TREK 5 Final Frontier.
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/stv-steps.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/_...ttlebay.jpg/180px-Enterprise-A_shuttlebay.jpg
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/interiors/Original%20Files/1701ashuttlebay.jpg
I think that the early scene when the shuttlecraft(Kirk & co.) first arrives from Earth into the Hangar Deck with Scotty in the Control Room(built the two level hangar deck set including the observation control room on the second level for Scotty) you get a sense of the immensity of the Enterprise of this set design that was actually built full-scale and complete. I loved the immediate ride (Kirk & co.) in the Turbolift to the Bridge.

 

[BriGuy]

Really? You think?

Compare the shuttle bay from STV with the shuttle bay as depicted in TMP. I think the STV shuttle bay is itty bitty by comparison, a reflection of STV's lack of budget.

 

[Galileo7]

Really? You think?

Compare the shuttle bay from STV with the shuttle bay as depicted in TMP. I think the STV shuttle bay is itty bitty by comparison, a reflection of STV's lack of budget.

Yes, because they actually built the hangar set for use by the actors, unlike in TMP.

 

[22 Stars]

Galileo, I'm sorry to disagree as well. Despite actually 'building' the hangar deck, it looked cramped and shoddy compared to almost every other depiction of that area in Trek history.

 

[Galileo7]

Galileo, I'm sorry to disagree as well. Despite actually 'building' the hangar deck, it looked cramped and shoddy compared to almost every other depiction of that area in Trek history.

http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/interiors/Original%20Files/1701ashuttlebay.jpg
Cramped or not, it still is the only 'built' hangar set that is impressively built the two level hangar deck set including the observation control room on the second level for Scotty. Unlike the 'built' NG 1701-D hangar or the Enterprise tv series 'built' Shuttlepodbay. All other hangars are partially 'built' corners of a hangar set(Voyager). TOS hangar was a miniature and a partial section only("Journey To Babel"). All other hangars are miniatures(TOS), matte(TMP) and CG(Voyager, Insurrection, Nemesis, ST XI). If an Enterprise hangar set is ever fully 'built' again then I will be impressed.
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hangar_deck


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[Doug Otte]

Was the set built for ST V? I always assumed it was yet another re-use of a TNG set.
Doug

 

[22 Stars]

I don't put much stock into them actually building it. I think if anything STV proved that building it, esp. with that budget, didn't do the concepts justice. If I can't visit it and walk around, then having them building it doesn't really do anything for me.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Was the set built for ST V? I always assumed it was yet another re-use of a TNG set.
Doug

As I recall it was actually built from the throne room set for Coming to America.

 

[Galileo7]

As I recall it was actually built from the throne room set for Coming to America.

That is what I read about it, apparently they used the massive set perimeter structure and built the two level hangar deck set including the observation control room on the second level for Scotty.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Never liked the looks of the ST V hangar at all.

 

[Galileo7]

Never liked the looks of the ST V hangar at all.

Even though it is just an updated version of TOS 1701 hangar deck, just smaller interior?
http://www.utopiaplanitia.info/inter...shuttlebay.jpg

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yep. Smaller, and somehow less convincing than the TOS miniature. It looks like a very spare set, not an actual hangar of any kind.

Actually, the Star Trek: Enterprise shuttlepod bay is by far the most convincing built hangar in Trek.

 

[Galileo7]

Yep. Smaller, and somehow less convincing than the TOS miniature. It looks like a very spare set, not an actual hangar of any kind.

Actually, the Star Trek: Enterprise shuttlepod bay is by far the most convincing built hangar in Trek.

I do agree that if they have built it as big as TOS miniature 1701 Hangar it would have been even better than it was. However, they needed a bigger soundstage and budget too, which they obviously did not have. So I have always considered the 'built' Star Trek V hangar deck set as the best attempt yet in Star Trek's 'built' hangar sets. I do agree with you and for me Star Trek:Enterprise 1701 Shuttlepod bay was my second favorite 'built' hangar set.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Yeah, but this kind of set is a classic situation where a properly executed matte painting or miniature of feature film quality trumps a fully built set, IMAO - in order to give the proper sense of scale it has to be huge, and most of it will be empty of performing actors. In the Trek movies, for example, nothing has really been as effective as the mattes used to represent the hangar in ST:TMP.

 

[Galileo7]

Yeah, but this kind of set is a classic situation where a properly executed matte painting or miniature of feature film quality trumps a fully built set, IMAO - in order to give the proper sense of scale it has to be huge, and most of it will be empty of performing actors. In the Trek movies, for example, nothing has really been as effective as the mattes used to represent the hangar in ST:TMP.

I know I am just a real fan of full-scale 'built' sets, such as the Star Trek V hangar set, in lieu of mattes, miniatures and CG never 'built' sets. I know why to save budget. That is what impressed my seeing Star Trek V in a theater, I thought how glad I was that they did not use a miniature(TOS) or a matte(TMP).

 

[BriGuy]

Yep. Smaller, and somehow less convincing than the TOS miniature. It looks like a very spare set, not an actual hangar of any kind.

Actually, the Star Trek: Enterprise shuttlepod bay is by far the most convincing built hangar in Trek.

I agree. The shuttle bay for the NX-01, built on a TV budget, was far more impressive than the shuttle bay for STV.

Part of that is because the NX-01 is a smaller ship, and so its shuttle bay seems in proportion/scale. The NCC-1701-A is a much larger ship, but it's shuttle bay is not of the appropriate size or scope, or of the detail needed for the big screen.

 

[Therin of Andor]

As I recall it was actually built from the throne room set for Coming to America.

Shatner had just been told his budget would not permit a shuttledeck set and was facing having to rewrite or cut the scene. During a set visit to "Coming to America", Shatner noted the ballroom was due for striking and he pleaded that they leave it up. Instant shuttledeck set. The ballroom had real gold leaf on the walls, which was simply painted over for ST V.

 

[SonicRanger]

Is there a picture or clip of the "Coming to America" ballroom online somewhere?

 

[Gepard]

Yeah, but this kind of set is a classic situation where a properly executed matte painting or miniature of feature film quality trumps a fully built set, IMAO - in order to give the proper sense of scale it has to be huge, and most of it will be empty of performing actors.

I'm not sure I would want to have seen what the VFX vendor for TFF would have delivered if that was the solution they'd thought of. Yikes.

 

[Funngunner]

There were two sets of the hangar deck. One, for the live actors, was the "Coming to America" throne room, as has been discussed earlier. But, there was also a miniature hanger deck as well. It was mainly used in the barricade effects sequence.

If I remember correctly, and I'm having to dig back over 20 years to remember it, for this one, the hangar itself was roughly 18 feet long, and about five to six feet wide. It was actually fairly detailed too, down to the hexagonal cargo palettes and a control room on the second level. (Essentially where Scotty was during the barricade scene)
There were also at least two scale models of the shuttlecraft, probably two feet long. At least one was destroyed during the filming of the crash landing.

My uncle, regrettably, worked on the VFX crew for STV. Even got his name in the credits. (Why could it not have been one of the better ones?!) But, I did get an opportunity to visit the filming location in a warehouse in Hoboken, NJ. For a ten year old, it was quite the experience. They had the six-foot 1701-A model against a black matte, the Bird of Prey model and the model of the BOP's wingtip disruptor used in the rather crappy close-up shot of it firing.

I got to see them do the filming of the crash landing, and managed to salvage a couple of pieces from the shuttle craft's port-side nacelle. Sadly, don't know where they are now...

Oh, and the place was cold, drafty and smelled funny. I really think they were doing their work on the cheap, clearly Paramount didn't feel like pouring a little bit of cash in to the project...

Sigh.