Helmsmen especially get fixated on clocks.
Spoilers Star Trek: The Old School Re-Exemanied
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"Richelieu beware!!!" 
"You will either leave this barb bloodied, or with my blood, on your hands!" "Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha! Cowards, cowards!"
JB
"You will either leave this barb bloodied, or with my blood, on your hands!" "Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha! Cowards, cowards!"JB
Helmsmen especially get fixated on clocks.
You might go so far as to say they have an "annoying fascination for time pieces."
To be fair, as a piece of fiction, they could have been written in easily enough and I too believe they should have been to provide a counterpoint.
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Perhaps they didn't want to pay Whitney for that episode.
Barrett wasn't even a regular during the first season; aside from "Naked Time" and "What are Little Girls Made Of?" (roles written as guest star characters) her only other appearance as Chapel was in "Operation Annihilate!"
"The Menagerie, Parts I & II" (S1E11&12)
First time I've watched this two-part episode since ST: Discovery started. A good example of how something new can add value to something old. After about a dozen installments of STD where we get to know Pike at his peak we revisit the story where we are first introduced to him. We learned of his tragic fate decades before we had a sense of the person. Now when the past and present are viewed together the emotional impact feels as if it is magnified exponentially.
A theme of karma also seems to emerge now in the futures of both Pike and Spock. Where Spock risked all here for his former captain the same will be done for him roughly twenty years later. Unfortunately it is Kirk who will ultimately die broken, alone and lost to his comrades.
Cannot help but appreciate how well "The Cage" elements looked. Very cinematic. Noticed Captain Pike also used the term "engage" when warping to their next destination. I wonder if Patrick Stewart saw "The Cage" and picked up on Jeffrey Hunter's word usage or was it just coincidence? I know opinions differ, however, I thought Majel Barrett was a fine choice to portray the original "Number One."
William Shatner did an excellent job throughout most of this story communicating, in words and body language, how personally hurt Captain Kirk was by Spock's betrayal. McCoy was shocked, but Kirk felt pain.
A bit of questionable editing. Spock was unanimously found "guilty" just prior to final act of part II which means there was no reason to stay convened. Then they come back with Spock speaking as if he his still offering his explanation, why? For everything they know the court-martial is over and Spock should be in the brig, So what am I missing?
First time I've watched this two-part episode since ST: Discovery started. A good example of how something new can add value to something old. After about a dozen installments of STD where we get to know Pike at his peak we revisit the story where we are first introduced to him. We learned of his tragic fate decades before we had a sense of the person. Now when the past and present are viewed together the emotional impact feels as if it is magnified exponentially.
A theme of karma also seems to emerge now in the futures of both Pike and Spock. Where Spock risked all here for his former captain the same will be done for him roughly twenty years later. Unfortunately it is Kirk who will ultimately die broken, alone and lost to his comrades.
Cannot help but appreciate how well "The Cage" elements looked. Very cinematic. Noticed Captain Pike also used the term "engage" when warping to their next destination. I wonder if Patrick Stewart saw "The Cage" and picked up on Jeffrey Hunter's word usage or was it just coincidence? I know opinions differ, however, I thought Majel Barrett was a fine choice to portray the original "Number One."
William Shatner did an excellent job throughout most of this story communicating, in words and body language, how personally hurt Captain Kirk was by Spock's betrayal. McCoy was shocked, but Kirk felt pain.
A bit of questionable editing. Spock was unanimously found "guilty" just prior to final act of part II which means there was no reason to stay convened. Then they come back with Spock speaking as if he his still offering his explanation, why? For everything they know the court-martial is over and Spock should be in the brig, So what am I missing?
The point was their absence (Whitney and Barrett) was a creative choice that could have been altered at any time and not by virtue of some prohibition. To be accurate: the only series regulars were Shatner, Nimoy and Kelley.
I think it's true, Barrett was treated as a guest star in the first half of season one and Grace wasn't really used enough to justify her fee in too many episodes, so she was cut. It looks like appearance in Mudd's Women would have been a short scene on the bridge rather than any direct interaction with the women.
The crewwomen in Star Trek TOS didn't really have enquiring minds and rarely acted on suspicions. Rand went to Kirk for help in Charlie X and spotted that Green was acting weird in Man Trap but she didn't seem to suss out Evil Kirk and she was duped by children. Barrows can barely put two and two together, while Ross's lights are on but nobody is home. Chapel as we observed sits around like a sack of spuds, and even the luminous Helen Noel has to be led by the nose to evidence of wrongdoing .
Probable. They made a bad deal with her, which was one of the reasons they cut her loose after that deal expired.
Barrett (as Chapel) was never a regular, but there was an understanding among the staff that she would almost never be removed from a script once she was written into it. Her relationship with Roddenberry was an open secret.
I'm no fan of Chapel except perhaps in "What Are Little Girls Made Of.?".
However I loved Barrett in "The Cage" as the professional officer Number 1. Not so much when she was acting hurt by Pikes comments/jealous of the Yeoman/Vina. I just wondered what happened to the writing of female characters after this. I suppose Dehner was written in the same vein as Number One and Rand and Chapel started out OK and then were quickly reduced to love interests.
Chapel was OK in Amok Time and Obsession. I always felt that they should have remembered her scientific skills more often and made her the ship's astrobiologist and cybernetics expert rather than a second tier MD in TMP.
Somehow I missed this thread until now...
The M-113 creature showed that it had a tremendous appetite for the sodium found in the human body, looking at humans as giant salt popsicles and just not being able to hold itself back from fatally assaulting them for all that bio-salty goodness, even when supplies of sterile salts were readily available. Maybe it sick of the gritty texture and plain flavor of those tablets.
Well... at the end of Part 1, Mendez said, "This court is in recess."
That meant that it was going to continue later.
Kor
The M-113 creature showed that it had a tremendous appetite for the sodium found in the human body, looking at humans as giant salt popsicles and just not being able to hold itself back from fatally assaulting them for all that bio-salty goodness, even when supplies of sterile salts were readily available. Maybe it sick of the gritty texture and plain flavor of those tablets.
Well... at the end of Part 1, Mendez said, "This court is in recess."
That meant that it was going to continue later.
Kor
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Yes, at the end of "part 1" Mendez did say what you quoted. Problem is I was specifically in reference to something that occurred way after that in Part II.
As for Salt Vampire, it wasn't that they ultimately had to kill the being (an act of genocide), but they did not even explore any alternatives in dealing with situation that was striking.
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The creature had the ability to deceive them and was hostile to human life! By killing Crater, a man it had loved and trusted it proved to Kirk and Spock how dangerous it could be and that human life was far more valuable!
JB
JB
Except placing a premium value on human life is hardly worthy of The United Federation of Planets whose memberships consists mostly of non-human lifeforms. Also, Dr. Crater was killed after their conference on what to do and at no point was a non-lethal course of action raised nor did they even acknowledge they would be committing genocide.
I don't really understand how people get so torqued out by aspects of TOS that seem sexist today. The show wasn't produced today - it was a product of its time. Judging it by today's standards seems sort of pointless. It is much too easy for us to look back with oh-so-wise hindsight and talk sexism and whatnot, but our time isn't immune from whatever -ism we're going to get called out on in the future; we don't have it all figured out either. I think that in 50 years, people will see sexism in TOS as much more benign than people do today. (I also think people will tend to forget the fact that it was ahead of its time in many ways with regard to sex.) Today it's a sore wound that hurts when we touch it, so people feel they need to point it out every time it's encountered, but someday when the wound is healed enough it's going to seem so quaint that we felt this reflexive need to cry "sexism!" every time we see it in a 50-year-old network TV show. I keep encountering this double standard, "Don't change the original effects" followed by "I wish we could change the sexism!".
Anyway, what I really love about Man Trap is the pre-library soundtrack atmosphere. Because they were still feeling their way at that early stage, the episode has this great slowness but isn't boring. Only a handful of episodes managed to break out of the standard TOS look and feel and pacing (Man Trap, Naked Time, Tholian Web, City...Forever) and I love it for that. Most episodes are pretty cookie-cutter in terms of direction, cinematography and soundtrack, but a few like this one stand out. It "feels" different.
Anyway, what I really love about Man Trap is the pre-library soundtrack atmosphere. Because they were still feeling their way at that early stage, the episode has this great slowness but isn't boring. Only a handful of episodes managed to break out of the standard TOS look and feel and pacing (Man Trap, Naked Time, Tholian Web, City...Forever) and I love it for that. Most episodes are pretty cookie-cutter in terms of direction, cinematography and soundtrack, but a few like this one stand out. It "feels" different.
I noticed something really meta when I watched Menagerie a few months ago. I was watching a screen of some officers watching a screen of some aliens watching a screen of Pike and Vina. Now, if someone had filmed me watching the show...
Just finished watching "Galileo Seven" another pre-introduction of The Federation (A Taste of Armageddon) yet after the hire of Gene Coon episode. Here when confronted with hostile aliens who where much more primitive than the salt vampire on M-113, Spock says, "I am not interested in the opinion of the majority, Mister Gaetano. Components must be weighed. Our danger to ourselves as well as our duties to other life forms, friendly or not. There's a third course." So it would seem within a span of about a dozen episodes or so a sophistication and maturity was becoming more evident in the series philosophy.
Galileo Seven (S1E16) was really brilliant. A factoid on IMDB mentioned that in a ST novel it was referenced that Mr. Scott had Mr. Boma court-martialed and drummed out of Starfleet. Made me wonder why not McCoy as well? A little white privilege perhaps? Dr. McCoy was every bit as insubordinate as Gaetano or Boma … more so perhaps because his rank of lieutenant Commander.
This episode was one a big reason why I did not care as much for McCoy during the television run. The movies were much different story.
Problem being, the Salt Vampire was killing just for the sake of killing. It obviously wasn't starving to death when it killed the first two members of Kirk's landing party. It also could have made a choice and not tried to kill Kirk while two members of his crew were watching.
They put down a rabid dog, and I've never had a problem with it within the context of the Star Trek universe. What kind of life would it have had if it couldn't control itself? As an exhibit at some Federation zoo?
Possibly the Chief Medical Officer has more latitude, since he is outside the chain of command? We never saw McCoy have any issues with challenging Kirk or anyone else in command.
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