Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x08 - "Under the Cloak of War"

[fireproof78]

"Old war buddies " behave differently depending on the situation.

M'Benga clearly wanted to put the war behind him. Perhaps his time helping Vulcans aided his goal.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Strong, but deeply disturbing. And it further supports my "more than one M'Benga" hypothesis: in "A Private Little War, Chapel and M'Benga did NOT act like they knew each other well, and CERTAINLY not like old war buddies.

Most of their dialog in APLW were standard Doctor and nurse patter. Not sure if you can really take much from it about their relationship. Scenes were more about Spock than them.

 

[Mudd]

Strong, but deeply disturbing. And it further supports my "more than one M'Benga" hypothesis: in "A Private Little War, Chapel and M'Benga did NOT act like they knew each other well, and CERTAINLY not like old war buddies.

That's not because they're different characters. They're just being written differently. There's no "hypothesis" about it.

 

[cooleddie74]

People frequently behave differently over a seven- or eight-year gap of time. Same characters, different writers, different experiences by the time they all wind up in TOS.

 

[Nerys Myk]

People frequently behave differently over a seven- or eight-year gap of time. Same characters, different writers, different experiences by the time they all wind up in TOS.

Spock in sickbay with a gunshot wound probably isn't the best time to play remember the good/bad ol'days.

 

[thribs]

This is the DiscoVerse after all. Everything is different.

 

[cooleddie74]

There are people I've known most of my life and love dearly and if they were on a biobed possibly dying I'm sure not going to start talking about all the times we hung out when the ship looked slightly different.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This is the DiscoVerse after all. Everything is different.

Nope. But thanks for playing,

 

[fireproof78]

Spock in sickbay with a gunshot wound probably isn't the best time to play remember the good/bad ol'days.

If they did, then they would be deemed unprofessional by fans and Starfleet experts around the world.

 

[Tuskin38]

Strong, but deeply disturbing. And it further supports my "more than one M'Benga" hypothesis: in "A Private Little War, Chapel and M'Benga did NOT act like they knew each other well, and CERTAINLY not like old war buddies.

That's because this series didn't exist yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's because this series didn't exist yet.

Yep. Retroactive Continuity.

 

[Sci]

*shrugs* If you really want them to be separate M'Bengas, well, okay, whatever. I personally don't think the differences between the two versions of M'Benga are so big as to warrant imagining they're separate characters.

 

[Kraig]

Unless M'Benga had a father like George Foreman who named all his sons George.

 

[Mudd]

Unless M'Benga had a father like George Foreman who named all his sons George.

It's the same character.

 

[cooleddie74]

And for the folks who say that Booker Bradshaw looks too young in TOS to be the same character from SNW, need I remind everyone of the fact it's a fictional character living more than 300 years from now, he's a physician who'd keep an eye on his health and appearance and would have access to drugs to make himself look healthier and more youthful.

M'Benga clearly also learned to shave between 2259 and 2267-68.

 

[Noname Given]

And for the folks who say that Booker Bradshaw looks too young in TOS to be the same character from SNW, need I remind everyone of the fact it's a fictional character living more than 300 years from now, he's a physician who'd keep an eye on his health and appearance and would have access to drugs to make himself look healthier and more youthful.

M'Benga clearly also learned to shave between 2259 and 2267-68.

And we have 7 years for a transporter mishap to change the way he looks too...

 

[Charles Phipps]

I think this is easily the best episode of SNW in terms of drama and storytelling. I look forward to when Chuck (SF debris) analyzes it. The premise if you remember is that Dak'rah is a klingon war criminal who claims to have killed his subordinates for slaughtering defenseless civilians then defected to the Federation. He's then reinvented himself as a man of peace and diplomat for the Federation.

Now, Rah is a genocidal mass murderer which is worst for Human perspective, and he's a Klingon with no honor which is worst for Klingon perspective. Klingons hate when you massacre unarmed innocents ("House of Quark") but they're happy to have people lie about it as we see with Duras ("Ent"). Kor certainly committed many crimes and was a Dahar Master but the Klingons NEVER tolerate failure and Rah was an utter failure on J'Gal.

Rah is lying about his past, earning a big influence potential. Should we expect that he is an liar when it comes to his past but honest when it comes to his current actions? He claims he wants to establish peace and is really thick on the "Klingons suck, go peace." Could it be a seeking for redemption? What is his motivation, if not? Just material comfort and survival since he had only execution waiting for him back on the homeworld?

Also, there's the question of how much damage that M'Benga did to the cause of Federation/Klingon peace. He's apparently a successful diplomat who has negotiated several peace treaties since the end of the war but everything we know about the Klingons would make this guy seem like a dishonorable monster to their values (and that's the peaceful version). He's a traitor, a defector, and a killer of his own men. Indeed, I can't help but think Klingon/Federation relations would suffer while this guy was alive even with L'Rell in charge.

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Klingon's probably pissed he's dead cause they didn't kill him, happy he's dead cause dishonor, so back to the status of quo of Fed-Kling will they/won't they?

 

[Tuskin38]

Well tensions need to rise again for the next war that happens (and ends) in Errand of Mercy.

 

[Lord Hierarch]

Well tensions need to rise again for the next war that happens (and ends) in Errand of Mercy.

The Klingon chancellor bangs her/his toe against a Federation cabinet.

"Ouch! Rawr, to Waaaaarrr!!"