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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x01 - "The Broken Circle"

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cooleddie74 said:
Yes. There is a clear cut answer. The first 20 EON Production movies are all in the same continuity and Brosnan's Bond is the same as Connery's. Dalton's and Moore's grieve over the loss of the wife they wed when they were played by Lazenby. The studio and the films themselves have been pretty clear on this over the decades. The "Codename Theory" is bunk and Daniel Craig was the first reboot of the timeline to start fresh with the character's background story and he's the only MGM/United Artists Bond to be a different individual from the Bond we watched during 1962-2002.

This is all public knowledge if fans want to find it.
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To the best of my knowledge, the studio has never actually weighed in on the matter, and they have put several things in that bring a shared continuity into question. In Lazenby's Bond run, he breaks the fourth wall and acknowledges a different guy (weak evidence on it's own, sure.) Brosnan's Bond goes through old spy equipment, pulling out pieces from old Bond films with a clear looking of "what the hell is this?"

I don't particularly like the codename Bond theory. Each Bond run being it's own soft-reboot makes more sense, with Craig's being the first true hard reboot.

To compare it to the Trek example, we know 100% from Paramount that SNW is NOT a reboot, it takes place entirely in continuity with TOS. I believe the Bond films take a stance more of each Bond run is a soft reboot, where things from previous Bond movies may or may not have happened with no real continuity between them.

HotRod said:
Didn't George Clooney reference Vikki Vale in Batman and Robin? There's another example of continuity spread across different visual aesthetics.
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Flash established that Keaton's Batman and Clooney's Batman were not from the same continuity. Different universes explicitly.

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Also, characters existing between reboots and what not doesn't prove anything. There was a Phillipa Georgiou in the Mirror Universe. Does that mean Mirror Universe is just the Prime Universe? Or maybe a better example, James T Kirk is in Star Trek '09. Is that the same James T. Kirk from TOS? (it's not...)
 
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evilchumlee said:
and Lower Decks also did a great job at the visual continuity for that era.
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Until they did the Crossover Episode. Boimler's Una poster uses the SNW uniform and Enterprise design.

The M'Benga's first name in SNW comes from the TOS scripts, it was just never said on screen.

evilchumlee said:
I just look at him and have to remind myself this guy is trying to play Kirk.
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Not sure why you have to remind yourself, the show already does it for you.
 
This is the kind of pointless circular argument that goes on for ages and resolves nothing.

These characters are the characters from the original Star Trek series. Talking about "alternate timelines" is in-group poohbah, a little nonsense that producers and publicists promulgate in the vain hope of pouring oil on fannish waters.

The characters are being written and performed differently because three generations have passed since that series was made.

Everything looks different because this is 2024 and not 1966.

A viewer can accept that or not, but that's the way it is. It will not change. If it spoils the show such that a viewer can't enjoy it, they shouldn't waste their time.
 
Serveaux said:
This is the kind of pointless circular argument that goes on for ages and resolves nothing.

These characters are the characters from the original Star Trek series. Talking about "alternate timelines" is in-group poohbah, a little nonsense that producers and publicists promulgate in the vain hope of pouring oil on fannish waters.

The characters are being written and performed differently because three generations have passed since that series was made.

Everything looks different because this is 2024 and not 1966.

A viewer can accept that or not, but that's the way it is. It will not change. If it spoils the show such that a viewer can't enjoy it, they shouldn't waste their time.
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Can we post this on the main page somehow? I feel it's something everyone needs to see.
 
Even alien makeup isn't consistent between the 3 Live Action series.

For example: Picard Andorians had no additional makeup just blue paint. SNW Andorians do not follow the Discovery design. And even the 32nd Century Andorians in DSC have different make up from DSC 23rd Century (but maybe you can chalk that up to 1000 years of genetic changes). The animated series go with different styles, or sometimes a mix.

The Tellarites also change make up between the 3 series. (and even between episodes if you look at SNW)

it's just the different showrunners having different ideas of what they like.
 
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Tuskin38 said:
Even alien makeup isn't consistent between the 3 Live Action series.

For example: Picard Andorians had no additional makeup just blue paint. SNW Andorians do not follow the Discovery design. And even the 32nd Century Andorians in DSC have different make up from DSC 23rd Century (but maybe you can chalk that up to 1000 years of genetic changes). The animated series go with different styles, or sometimes a mix.

The Tellarites also change make up between the 3 series.

it's just the different showrunners having different ideas of what they like.
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Then there's this thing from TNG that looks like it should be bothering Fred Flintstone....
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Hell, there wasn't even strict visual continuity within TNG. Worf's makeup design is completely different in S1 than it is in S7 -- and then, in "All Good Things," the 2364 Worf uses the S7 makeup design instead of the S1 makeup design. So, in-universe, Worf's forehead never changed, even though we the audience most definitely saw a change.
 
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