Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[Tuskin38]

Did you hear what the doll said? It was creepy and idiotic.

well yeah, it was hacked.

 

[cooleddie74]

Stardate 11292 would have been better. A five-digit, early 24th century stardate.

 

[Phily B]

What was the budget? Is there any estimation?

 

[Tuskin38]

Stardate 11292 would have been better. A five-digit, early 24th century stardate.

Assuming it's accurate, they probably just threw the year into one of those online converters to get the Stardate.

Or asked Erin Macdonald

 

[NCC-73515]

They baited us with Garrett... who could've been anyone else. It didn't matter at all that this was Garrett, or that the people were 31.

Speaking of the USS Vengeance, apparently James Hiroyuki Liao was on Trek before as a USS Vengeance crewman. Considering the timeframe of Star Trek Into Darkness roughly matches up with what we're told in Section 31 about the San character, I think we can safely assume that this is actually Kelvin Timeline San.

That's funny

My favorite line from the movie: "There are no benevolent dictators, San."

A poignant message in the world right now.

The single great line in this film

You're telling me S31 was worse than Threshold?

Threshold was better

I have to be honest I thought that Melle was the mole and they were going to do a Mission Impossible/Jim Phelps thing where she faked her vaporization via transporter and was the villain. It was unbelievable to me that they'd go through making Humberly Gonzalez bald and putting her into a revealing costume for a glorified cameo, but apprently that's what they did.

Her vaporization was so slow that I thought she was beamed out like Sloan was and actually still alive!

In terms of actual decisions the movie made that made me angry, there was only one. Unfortunately, that was within the first 10 minutes, where we discover young Georgiou became emperor due to winning some sort of Hunger-Games-like competition against 17 other kids.

This is, frankly, totally nutso. It completely goes against everything we saw previously involving the Terran Empire, where the way to the top is murdering all of your rivals until your will to power is respected. Yet we were meant to believe the Empire was just going to hand over total power to teenage Georgiou, just because she happened to win a contest? Made the whole Terran Empire seem small and fake.

Her mass killing and poisoning gave her some of these medals that were established for the Terran Empire a while ago. Maybe such a contest is the traditional procedure when an aging Emperor steps down without being killed, or dies of natural causes, or suicide, or the challenger dies as well, etc. I also thought her ascent via poison was a nod to Hoshi becoming Empress by poisoning Archer and threatening Earth with the Defiant.

Thanks for posting this. I kept rewinding hoping to get a better look!

I can see a STV assault phaser and a TOS phaser, but what's that to the left of the latter?

I see a suliban pistol next to the TFF phaser and a Daqtagh on the bottom right, but everything else is too blurry and small

One of the most unforgivable elements of this is it was a spy movie without much spy shit.

That frustrates me as well, it's non-cloak, non-dagger, non-spy, non-thriller,... Why is 31 sent to destroy a superweapon? Can't the rest of the fleet do that?

And they all have drinks at the end while watching the secret briefing in the middle of a crowded bar.

Right, I didn't even notice that, but that's quite stupid

 

[The Wormhole]

there are no official "stardate calculators"

While that is true, this particular stardate calculator has been confirmed to be used by the novel writers for figuring out what stardates to use in 24th century novels, and IIRC was also used on Lower Decks and the 32nd century seasons of Disco.

 

[cooleddie74]

I was wanting a recognizable 24th century starship design to show up. Ambassador, or at least an Excelsior even if they were background ships in a scene. If it weren't for the LCARS on the tricorders and the presence of Rachel Garrett you wouldn't know this is an early 24th century story.

 

[juventuz]

That was the worst Star Trek tv/movie/short I have ever seen. Literally the worst. I didn’t find any redeeming quality to it. I found the Fuzz character to be utterly ridiculous. It felt like they just took all three random concepts from other sci-fi movies/shows and tried to shoehorn it into the Trek universe.

I hope the creative team behind this never works in Star Trek again.

 

[Tuskin38]

Indeed, I have never seen Star Wars, but I do believe that the Garbage Scow was loosely based on the design of the Millenium Falcum?

They look nothing alike. The Falcon is basically a flying saucer.

While that is true, this particular stardate calculator has been confirmed to be used by the novel writers for figuring out what stardates to use in 24th century novels, and IIRC was also used on Lower Decks and the 32nd century seasons of Disco.

Erin Macdonald created a new stardate formula for Lower Decks. I don't know if any of the other shows have used it.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

They look nothing alike. The Falcon is basically a flying saucer.

This is true, though I have heard that the Enterprise is designed like a garbage scow before.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This is true, though I have heard that the Enterprise is designed like a garbage scow before.

No, it's designed to be hauled away as garbage.

 

[cooleddie74]

Don't cause no tribble.

 

[Tuskin38]

the writers confused Minos and Minos Korva

 

[NCC-73515]

I was wanting a recognizable 24th century starship design to show up. Ambassador, or at least an Excelsior even if they were background ships in a scene. If it weren't for the LCARS on the tricorders and the presence of Rachel Garrett you wouldn't know this is an early 24th century story.

That's why I love the smuggler ships from Unification! The only 24th century ships seen before

 

[Char Kais]

Indeed, I have never seen Star Wars, but I do believe that the Garbage Scow was loosely based on the design of the Millenium Falcum?

They look nothing alike. The Falcon is basically a flying saucer.

Rebel Moon, Kai's freighter.
Even the color palette is similar.

 

[JoseNoodles]

Overall, very meh.
Most of the Section 31 crew were not that interesting.
Quasi was probably the most likeable.
Fuzz was probably the most interesting conceptually but not interesting as a character.
The story was your typical, "we got to stop the bad guy from going through the portal with the McGuffin" story.
Not the worst way to spend an afternoon, but not the best either.
San and Georgiou make Sid and Nancy seem like a nice quiet couple.
The Georgiou/Alok ship felt forced.
Maybe its a blessing in disguise that they didn't tackle the ethics of Section 31.
4/10

 

[CrockAlley]

As a few others have said, I'm also interested in Kim and Lippoldt's version.

My biggest issue is the attempt at a moral quandary without delivering. I like the idea of Georgiou struggling with her past deeds, but this story's villain wasn't quite it. He was the standard "I was one of your victims, and now I'm a bad guy! You have to kill me!" That doesn't satisfy my itch for Georgiou exploration. How has she changed because of this experience? How has this experience helped her process her past?

But, it was very very far from the worst ST I've ever seen. I genuinely don't understand anyone who could give this a 1/10. I don't mean to impugn anyone's opinion, but it's only to dislike something without it being the worst thing ever! I value the 9/10 through 2/10 ratings. Seems like that's a space for nuance to exist.

 

[NCC-73515]

It was not the best of times, it was not the worst of times.

 

[fireproof78]

Meaning, Spork?

 

[I am not Spock]

when even Trek Culture is struggling to be positive, you know the film has problems.

It's just a shame that s31, and SNW season 3 , is all we are getting this YEAR