Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy 1x16 - "Preludes"
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given the tribal nature of the kazon, it wouldn't have been all that hard to imagine that as the various larger tribes claimed territory and fought, the smaller tribes spread farther and farther out to avoid them. you see this IRL all through history. it wouldn't be all that hard to imagine that a small tribe, heading out into the wider galaxy to avoid the spread of the bigger tribes behind them, stumbling over the Diviner and his ship doing their search, and working out a deal. the diviner's technology used to boost their own ships, in exchange for doing missions and collecting things for the diviner. eventually migrating all the way over to the Tar Lamora area near the beta Quad border where they are the only kazon tribe in the area, with capabilities closer to the alpha and beta quadrant ships that make it out to that area. (after all, the kazon seen in voyager were said to be comparable to 23rd century federation ships over all))
That is a possibility, but is Ascencia able to do that? We don't know exactly what the capabilities of her dermal implant are, but it was almost certainly either provided by dr. Jago or by another shady scientist using a very similar device (as she didn't have it when she left Solum, she only gained it in the recent past). The implant of Dal didn't allow him to suddenly become Okona or Jankom, what it did do was bring out the effects of recessive DNA.
So, the implication is that Asencia has recessive Trill DNA, either because one of her ancestors may have been a Trill (if she was born after first contact, it is theoretically possible a Trill visited Solum at some point, perhaps on the very vessel that made first contact) or because said shady scientist also injected her with the (recessive) DNA traits that were necessary.
Presumably, she doesn't have DNA ready to do a (near) perfect impersonation of Janeway.
I think it's more likely that Ascencia, Diviner and Drednok leave the Dauntless (using a shuttle or other vessel, maybe after doing some sabotage on the Dauntless first) with Janeway as a hostage, possibly seeking out Ascencia's "Rev"-ship.
I forget, is Solum in the Delta Quadrant? If so, then there would have been no way that Prometheus class ship could have made first contact unless it had gotten to the Delta Quadrant by means such as a transwarp conduit.
well, if she needs DNA from Janeway that’s easily to come by at this point. I was thinking they’ll impersonate her as well, which will also go a great deal in scaring the kids further.
I'm not sure if we have been definitely told where Solum is, though we have always assumed it is in the Delta quadrant. Chakotay's SOS does talk about the Delta quadrant, so unless the Protostar had totally lost its bearings at that point (after the anomaly), it seems to confirm that.
Yes, but access to her DNA is not enough, it also needs to be "injected" in the right way I suppose. She would need to run to Dr. Jago (or similar) first, so not in time in order to take over the Dauntless. It may be feasible as a ruse to gain the trust of the Protogies, though, if Asencia has the patience to use such a tactic (but isn't she in a hurry, exactly because the crew of the Dauntless is getting up to speed quickly?).
Was there anybody at all in the Protostar's original crew other than Chakotay and Adreek-Hu? I find it hard to believe that a ship like that could be operated by only two people. (If nothing else, the bridge has stations for more than two crewmembers...)
I mean, the only members of the crew we ever actually saw were those two. And it said that they escaped and sent the Protostar into the past, by remote. So what happened to the REST of the crew?
And, for that matter, what happened to Chakotay and Adreek-Hu after all this went down? Are they still out there somewhere, or were they recaptured?
(oh, BTW, nice nod to TAS...with Adreek-Hu being an Aurelian, like Aleek-Om from "Yesteryear")
I mean, the only members of the crew we ever actually saw were those two. And it said that they escaped and sent the Protostar into the past, by remote. So what happened to the REST of the crew?
And, for that matter, what happened to Chakotay and Adreek-Hu after all this went down? Are they still out there somewhere, or were they recaptured?
(oh, BTW, nice nod to TAS...with Adreek-Hu being an Aurelian, like Aleek-Om from "Yesteryear")
Presumably, all of them are still captives on Solum (50 years or so in the future). There were other crew members, as images were shown of the mess hall with deserted plates and such, in a flashback or recording shown in the first half of the season.
we don’t know this.
Ascencia needed to reach for the implant on her neck in order to transform. The implant presumably contains some kind of 'reset code' to cause her Vau N'Akat physiology to reassert itself. And probably nothing more than that.
Meaning: It's not some magic device that allows Ascencia to mimic anyone she chooses. If she had that ability, she'd have already used it. It only lets her maintain her Trill disguise.
again: we know zero details on the implant. From all we know all it takes to mimic someone is a little blood, and it’s equally possible that it can’t mimic anyone in specific at all. We just don’t know as of now.
Transwarp conduit is a possibility, also the producers pointed out there were deep space vessels that were due to arrive at the delta beta border around this time, as established in VOY.
https://twitter.com/goodaaron/status/1598829983803183105?s=46&t=0TyIXmlwQRgask2cX4KWHg
Except those vessels couldn’t have been Prometheus class ships, because the prototype had only been developed ten years prior to the start of Prodigy.
Plus, wasn’t that transmission a fake made by Arturis?
The one Prometheus class we saw on VOY was classified as a deep space vessel and already deployed pretty deep outside Federation space, so who knows.
no, the mention of the deep space vessels was made in "life line" in season 6, two seasons after "hope and fear" with arturis and the fake-dauntless. by season 6 Project pathfinder had actually found a way to send messages to Voyager regularly. (and voyager messages back. like the EMH program in that episode.)
"message in a bottle", where the Prometheus class first shows up, was also in season 4, so the Prometheus itself might well have been one of the two ships sent voyager's way, since it would have been two years old and well out of the trial phases by then.
"message in a bottle", where the Prometheus class first shows up, was also in season 4, so the Prometheus itself might well have been one of the two ships sent voyager's way, since it would have been two years old and well out of the trial phases by then.
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Again, the problem here is that those deep space vessels must have already been traveling toward the Delta Quadrant for many decades before that date, since the Admiral didn’t mention any kind of engine upgrade or other means of getting there which would allow the ships to have made that journey in only 5 years if they had just been launched.
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I guess I missed that. So not only was it a Prometheus, it was the Prometheus.
It was good to see the backstories of the main characters and finally see Janeway begin to put two and two together.
I wonder if we'll ever se Maximillion (the Bajoran wrestler - the 'face' to Rok-Tahk's 'heel') again. I think we just might. He seemed genuinely troubled at what Rok was going through.
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