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Star Trek peeves

Shouldn't the Holodeck be safe? Why is there an option to make it potentially life threatening?

I don't mind it when the person on the bridge can't get a 'lock on' something or if a system goes down but it might help if we saw the alien wave a magic wand or push a few buttons or do something so the audience could see why the thing that was working five minutes ago is not working now.
 
I am going to begin with the classic:

1. "Sir, we are the only ship in range!" Riiiiiiiight.

2. It is almost always a member of the senior staff who saves the day. Not Ensign Steve from botany lab 3.

3. A smidge too many admirals are moustache twirling villains or out-and-out incompetent buffoons. I would have liked to see more good-uns for balance.

4. Sometimes it irks me when the starships of some minor race are comparable to the Ent-D. Really? They have one planet and have produced a ship comparable to the best the UFP has to offer?

I will no doubt think of more.
 
Don't forget an oldy but a goody:
"You're the only ship in the quadrant."
Should be followed by: "I'm the ONLY other starship in this ENTIRE quarter of the Galaxy?"
That would only ever apply to the USS Voyager. (But what of the Equinox?)
 
  • They never do get around to tightening security in those shuttle bays do they?

  • Reverse aging/raising people from the dead with the transporters. Handy enough those transporters to get out of that annoying hassle of actually writing something.

  • Travelling around the sun with the right maths is all you need to do to time travel. It's a wonder everyone isn't doin' it.

  • They didn't think the Dominion through before they introduced that species. Alot of those early Dominion episodes misfire badly.

  • The away team brain waves being stored on the DS9 mainframe with ALOT of turgid technobabble trying to explain away that stupidity. I liked the DS9 Bond episode overall mind you but that aspect of it annoyed me.

  • I don't mind a bit of comic relief but the Ferengi can get a bit too goofy.

  • The reset button.

I'm sure I'll have more. Heck, I could probably go on all night. :eek:
 
1) I've seen this one in a lot of TNG episodes: the ship is minutes (or seconds) away from blowing up, and we cut to a shot of the crew... walking briskly to the danger. :wtf::rolleyes:

Dudes... The ship is about to blow up. Don't you think that now might be a good time to break into a sprint? Time is of the essence here!

2) The season 1 TNG speeches about about much better they all were than us poor dumb 20th century humans always made me roll my eyes, too. Way to actively insult your audience, guys.

3) Applying 24th century-era assumptions to TOS-era stories. This can be anything from saying "away team" instead of "landing party" to stuff like the Star Trek Continues practice of putting a counselor on Kirk's Enterprise. It never fails to take me out of the story.
 
Captain: "OK, take us out of Warp"

Ship comes out of Warp at close proximity of name your planet or ship.

It's impossible for any human to react fast enough to judge coming out of warp with such precision.
That might be the captain's okay for the helm to go sublight at a standard distance, and it is the computer (acting under instruction) that makes the actual transition from FTL.
 
3) Applying 24th century-era assumptions to TOS-era stories. This can be anything from saying "away team" instead of "landing party" to stuff like the Star Trek Continues practice of putting a counselor on Kirk's Enterprise. It never fails to take me out of the story.

On that note, there's the presumption that a lot of novels and even the Abrams movies make that in TOS the Enterprise was Starfleet's flagship, when there is in fact nothing in TOS to suggest this.
 
3) Applying 24th century-era assumptions to TOS-era stories. This can be anything from saying "away team" instead of "landing party" to stuff like the Star Trek Continues practice of putting a counselor on Kirk's Enterprise. It never fails to take me out of the story.

On that note, there's the presumption that a lot of novels and even the Abrams movies make that in TOS the Enterprise was Starfleet's flagship, when there is in fact nothing in TOS to suggest this.
Yes. I think it's a pity they made Enterprise-D a flag ship. There was no need for it.
 
A few more:

1. Total randoms being able to hack into the ship. A random alien of the week can just see a Starfleet computer and immediately start messing with it.

2. Absolutely anywhere in the ship can seemingly be used to comandeer the ship. Data [when being controlled by aliens] manages to reroute all ship functions to 10-forward! The damn BAR!

3. Random bad-guys also seem to quite easily be able to lock the crew out of random, essential ship functions. Transporters, internal sensors, force fields...all can be re-routed or disabled by random people in five minutes. Hell, there is a Voyager episode where Naomi locks Harry Kim out of transporter controls! :lol:
 
I like the way the bungling Ferengi-clowns who look barely capable of tying their own shoelaces, took the ship at a canter, completely flummoxing our heroes and it's up to the kids to sort it all out.
 
I like the way the bungling Ferengi-clowns who look barely capable of tying their own shoelaces, took the ship at a canter, completely flummoxing our heroes and it's up to the kids to sort it all out.

To be fair, one of those "kids" was the ship's captain, but yeah, I agree those Ferengi took control of the Enterprise way too easily.
 
Bry_Sinclair wrote:
The EMH and his God complex (it makes him a far more unbearable character than even Wesley).


Ríu ríu, chíu wrote:

Particularly that bit in "Latent Image" where the EMH apparently has convinced himself that he's the only doctor in history who has ever lost a patient.

I think what was trying to be communicated in this episode was a conflict between the machine (programming) and still evolving consciousness of the EMH. Obviously, he had lost patients before, as we've seen directly. However, this instance seemed to illustrate a limitation or flaw in his programming when presented with a situation with this kind of ambiguity, both patients having an equal chance of survival with the same treatment, but there only being the time to deal with one. It might seem unlikely, but this scenario may have been outside the protocols of what the Doctor's processes on triage were designed to engage. At the same time, the fact that as a member of the crew, he was undoubtedly closer to Kim (the first one he encountered) and that personal relationships had been playing an increasing role in the growth of his interests, biases, and general life experience, set up a situation that inevitably would pit his basic role as a healer with the realization that he had made a value judgement that was outside of what he was designed to process, with the outcome of a cascading paralysis and breakdown as was ultimately shown.

It's interesting that Janeway's consideration of the course of action to take is still primarily predicated on the sense of the EMH as being that "piece of technology", despite the changes that he had already gone through. It would have been interesting if a counselor, or Kes, had been available, if the decision would have at least broached the possibility of an interpersonal relational talk therapy approach, than what was done instead.

At any rate, I certainly don't see this as a representation of the Doctor as perceiving himself as being superior, quite the opposite, as he is ultimately shown working through a flaw or problem, in a quite human way, integrating the traumatic experience into his web of experience and incrementally clawing his way to understanding and acceptance of what was before, impossible to process. I think it was, in fact, a thoughtful effort at showing the accretion of sensibilities that bit by bit brought him to the level of human type awareness and consciousness that, by the end of the journey, I think it's more than plausible to attribute to him.


TheGoodStuff
A few more:


3. Random bad-guys also seem to quite easily be able to lock the crew out of random, essential ship functions. Transporters, internal sensors, force fields...all can be re-routed or disabled by random people in five minutes. Hell, there is a Voyager episode where Naomi locks Harry Kim out of transporter controls!

This piqued my interest. I couldn't recall any such incident and looking through, at least, the general synopsis of those episodes in which she appeared, again saw no evidence of it having occurred. Now she did encrypt the holodeck controls so Neelix wasn't able to make changes in the program playing during Once Upon a Time. Might you be thinking of that? If not, please see if you can identify the one you're referencing as it's kind of gotten under my skin now!!
 
Another "STAR TREK peeve" of mine is when "they" don't have enough time or money to properly show something that the fans would love to get a look at, like a sehlat, running wild and unchecked, in the Vulcan wilderness, such as what appeared on -ENTERPRISE-. It was like, "oh! Look! A sehlat at full gallop!" And ... it don't do shit else. It wouldn't interact with the live-action characters because it didn't have the gumption and it was most easily called away. Why even bother showing it, then? ... Just lame. They've done this often, in STAR TREK.

Another example, off the top of my head, is in Voyager, when the Kazon took over the ship and marooned the crew on some dust bowl. There was a cave which contained a pitiful looking CGI Dune Worm that moved twice and, through some uninspired editing, managed to imply that it had eaten a hapless crewman, or two. I understand the desperate need for "exciting" clips to use in adverts to get the ratings up, but it sucks when you watched, hoping to have seen this beasty in all of it's "glory," if you like. Only to soon realise that the commercial for this episode contained ALL of this creature's exploits ...
 
2) The season 1 TNG speeches about about much better they all were than us poor dumb 20th century humans always made me roll my eyes, too. Way to actively insult your audience, guys.

This makes me think of an episode of TNG when there were shipwide power issues and Pulaski tells a med tech. to use a splint on a broken limb. He scoffs, "That's not practicing medicine". She tells him it's a time honored way.

Or in Star Trek 4, when Kirk, McCoy and Gillian sneak into the hospital to treat Chekov's injuries. Bones is ranting about 20th century medicine and IIRC, tossing possibly expensive equipment aside. Hey newsflash, Dr. McCoy, it's all they have to treat him with. It's not their fault they don't have your fancy schmancy tools that work instantly.
 
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there's the presumption that a lot of novels and even the Abrams movies make that in TOS the Enterprise was Starfleet's flagship, when there is in fact nothing in TOS to suggest this.

Yes, that's another good example. I much prefer the idea that the Enterprise is just one of a dozen starships out there, all having extraordinary adventures.

This makes me think of an episode of TNG when there were shipwide power issues and Pulaski tells a med tech. to use a splint on a broken limb. He scoffs, "That's not practicing medicine". She tells him it's a time honored way.

Or in Star Trek 4, when Kirk McCoy and Gillian sneak into the hospital to treat Chekov's injuries. Bones is ranting about 20th century medicine and IIRC, tossing possibly expensive equipment aside. Hey newsflash, Dr. McCoy, it's all they have to treat him with. It's not their fault they don't have your fancy schmancy tools that work instantly.

I personally wasn't offended by these moments, as I took them as humorous.

Just thought of another one:

4) People writing to the pop culture cliche of Kirk rather than the Kirk we actually saw on TOS. Where he does things like break rules at the drop of a hat instead of as a last resort, and hitting on every woman he encounters. The recent Legion/Trek crossover even had him hitting on Shadow Lass in the middle of a firefight, which I found grossly out of character for Kirk.
 
TheGoodStuff
A few more:


3. Random bad-guys also seem to quite easily be able to lock the crew out of random, essential ship functions. Transporters, internal sensors, force fields...all can be re-routed or disabled by random people in five minutes. Hell, there is a Voyager episode where Naomi locks Harry Kim out of transporter controls!

This piqued my interest. I couldn't recall any such incident and looking through, at least, the general synopsis of those episodes in which she appeared, again saw no evidence of it having occurred. Now she did encrypt the holodeck controls so Neelix wasn't able to make changes in the program playing during Once Upon a Time. Might you be thinking of that? If not, please see if you can identify the one you're referencing as it's kind of gotten under my skin now!!

I was actually writing my post purely from memory and your request made me determined to find out just what episode it was that I was remembering. After [a wee while] of searching I can tell you that the episode is: 'Bliss'.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Bliss_(episode)


Here is a direct quote from the page:

"On the bridge, Kim tries to remotely drop the force field, but Seven has Naomi enter a code to block the attempts. "
 
Shields lasting no more than a minute or two (or down to 80 or 60% with two shots).
When the captain doubts his/her course of action, gets reassured by the entire senior staff and the opinions of the rest of the crew are considered meaningless.
 
The nuTrek bar scene, Pike wants Kirk to enlist in starfleet?

Officers don't enlist.
 
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