Star Trek : Generations - Nexus Ribbon

[Dryson]

With the Nexus Ribbon traveling the galaxy and encountering many different life forms and absorbing those life forms into the ribbon, I think the possibility of the ribbon absorbing and the depositing some rather nasty villains back into normal space-time would make for some rather interesting lore and a new series of Trek that Picard's son and crew would have to deal with.

Two villains long gone could even have found each other in the Nexus and rounded up all of the other villains to suddenly emerge from the Nexus Ribbon as very powerful foes for Picard's son and crew to deal with.

The background lore would take fans to new planets only seen on wall charts or on display screens.

The background story would even more stirring if the Nexus Ribbon absorbed a wormhole to another galaxy or a wormhole to an uknown part of the known galaxy.

 

[Vger23]

I would think that it’s extremely rare for life forms to enter the nexus. As we learned, it’s incredibly dangerous for ships to approach the ribbon, which would mean that anyone encountering this phenomenon would likely steer clear. We also learn that it never intersects a planet, which is why Soran needs to go to such extreme lengths of destroying an entire star system just to get in.

It was probably a 1/million shot that the El-Aurian ships got caught (I always assumed they were damaged from escaping the Borg and broke down at an extremely inopportune time and place).
Since nobody knows what it really is except for about 40 El-Aurians, to everyone else it just looks like a nasty space phenomenon to be avoided.

 

[publiusr]

Having it be something from Baku might be interesting

 

[Qonundrum]

From what I recall, and I just looked up the scene:

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So Soran, Guinan, et al, had their home planet destroyed by the Borg. I believe that was on the previous Tuesday; it's not like Trek hasn't hopped half across the galaxy when the plot demanded it anyway...

The La'kul spacecraft makes its way to Earth's solar system and everyone seems to know who these folks are and what they're doing ("El Aurian refugees" per the 23rd century Science Officer. This doesn't bear any more thought as it's a gaggle of stupid anachronisms lumped into a span of several seconds (by the seashore), but before I do bear more thought and digress more than Goldilocks' nemeses... at the chair'n'porridge emporium...)

Fast forward 78 years plus 3 days: Riker remembers that it's the mission Kirk was killed in. Crusher stated she'd read up on the incident. Dark Helmet turns to the camera and asks the audience if everyone got it.

Then we get to the next scene: Guinan states Soran doesn't care about anything except for getting back to the magical universe portal ribbon that they were all ripped away from and that she keeps trying hard to forget about because it's impossible to go back.

Um, a beat was skipped: Were the overused Borg trying to break into the nexus? Is the El Aurian planet inside it or next to it? How were the El Aurians getting into this ribbon if their planet's next to it? The Borg probably didn't break through. Unless they did. Maybe it's a big enough cube, sphere, diamond, yellow moon, purple horseshoe, etc... but if the Borg managed to get inside the fairy tale magic universe where unicorns and smurfs line up to do the Riverdance, wouldn't they be merrily trapped and there'd be no more Borg episodes, because they're all in the perfect universe to go along with their perfect bodies?

But Guinan states she'd do anything to get back and stopped when realizing it was impossible.

She then states Soran is obsessed and if everyone gets to the nexus, they won't care about leaving it. In the same scene, Guinan is now oddly very sure anyone can waltz on in with ease...

It's one of the most bizarre and disjointed setups in Star Trek movie history.

 

[Qonundrum]

Star Trek: Why Leonard Nimoy Hated Generations (screenrant.com)

Nimoy's beef with Star Trek Generations was about its story and characterizations. Nimoy compared Generations to William Shatner's problematic directorial debut, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, which he preferred: "Bill's picture... had its own built-in problems... which he was never going to be able to surmount. But Generations bothered me. My God, what are they doing? Why that scene? What's this scene about? Where are they going with this? That was the reason I wasn't involved in making it." In addition, Nimoy was dismayed at the way Spock was written in his intended cameo: "There was a character called Spock who had a dozen lines you could easily assign to anyone else, which they did."

...I think Nimoy had a point. I still like aspects of the film, but it is a bunch of disjointed and bizarre set-pieces, sometimes feeling like "storytelling by numbers".

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Why can't somebody just hop into a space suit and be shot into the path of the Nexus if they want to enter?

 

[Smellmet]

Why can't somebody just hop into a space suit and be shot into the path of the Nexus if they want to enter?

Because the entire concept and writing of the Nexus was one of the most ill thought out things in the franchise?

 

[Set Harth]

"By the way, he probably wasn't wrong."

Nimoy can be wrong.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Because the entire concept and writing of the Nexus was one of the most ill thought out things in the franchise?

I can probably figure out countless ways to get Soran into the Nexus w/o resorting to the non-sense he went through just to get into that bloody Spatial Phenomena.

Making a Star go Nova to redirect the path of "The Nexus"?

Why even bother with that, the Nexus has a very predictable timeline, once it appears, you can track it and just chase it with a StarShip.

 

[Smellmet]

I can probably figure out countless ways to get Soran into the Nexus w/o resorting to the non-sense he went through just to get into that bloody Spatial Phenomena.

Making a Star go Nova to redirect the path of "The Nexus"?

Why even bother with that, the Nexus has a very predictable timeline, once it appears, you can track it and just chase it with a StarShip.

There's much more straightforward ways to get Kirk into the 24th Century without that stupid ribbon, which creates more plot holes than plot points.

 

[Relayer1]

Generations was a festering pile of garbage and I'm not going to waste any time thinking about it at this late juncture.

With the recent "Easter Egg" we will probably be able to safely ignore it in the not too distant future.

 

[drt]

Um, a beat was skipped: Were the overused Borg trying to break into the nexus? Is the El Aurian planet inside it or next to it? How were the El Aurians getting into this ribbon if their planet's next to it? The Borg probably didn't break through. Unless they did.

I think you are combining two separate events. The Borg destroyed El Auria, but the timing of such is never stated. Survivors of that event were on their way to somewhere (presumably Earth), when they encounter the Nexus.

This leaves the usual speed of plot issue. Presumably El Auria was far away enough away from the Federation that the Borg remained a mystery, however, it doesn’t need to be all the way in the Delta Quadrant since the Borg had previously been shown to probe some distance from their space in “The Neutral Zone”.

 

[Qonundrum]

I think you are combining two separate events. The Borg destroyed El Auria, but the timing of such is never stated. Survivors of that event were on their way to somewhere (presumably Earth), when they encounter the Nexus.

This leaves the usual speed of plot issue. Presumably El Auria was far away enough away from the Federation that the Borg remained a mystery, however, it doesn’t need to be all the way in the Delta Quadrant since the Borg had previously been shown to probe some distance from their space in “The Neutral Zone”.

Good points and that now that I'm thinking about it, the "they find the Nexus later" really makes sense -- thanks!

Yeah, the El Aurians needn't have been in the DQ (Delta Quadrant, Dairy Queen, etc) - but the timing and location are just as much up for grabs, and their home planet could easily be on the edge of somewhere... "speed of plot" does prevail as to how they got to Earth, and by then they easily could be so disheveled...

Still, how the Federation knew of the El Aurians is a minor headscratcher and it's possible their ships were scanned by the Enterprise with numerous staff reading up on the information as to who they were.

 

[Qonundrum]

Generations was a festering pile of garbage and I'm not going to waste any time thinking about it at this late juncture.

With the recent "Easter Egg" we will probably be able to safely ignore it in the not too distant future.

After what @drt said, I'm willing to give it another look. It's still a mess, but there's definitely more to infer than what I picked up on in my previous viewing...

"By the way, he probably wasn't wrong."

Nimoy can be wrong.

True, but while I was a tad theatrical, it does boil down to how he still could be wrong. But he still had a point; GEN was rushed as the staff were also juggling DS9 and the remainder of TNG's final year (esp. "All Good Things").

 

[drt]

Still, how the Federation knew of the El Aurians is a minor headscratcher and it's possible their ships were scanned by the Enterprise with numerous staff reading up on the information as to who they were.

Yeah, the 1701-B officer did seem to think that the El Aurian refugee situation was common knowledge, maybe it had made the news that there were people coming whose home planet had been destroyed. What’s more odd is that the El Aurians wouldn’t have mentioned the entire Borg thing.

 

[Dryson]

Guinan said that the Nexus was a doorway.

The crew experienced difficulty in maintaining a transporter lock on them, however, as their life signs were experiencing a state of temporal flux, phasing in and out of the spacetime continuum. Which was a result of the Nexus energy passing through the hull of their ship.

Thus, the Nexus does not destroy biological life, but rather stores biological life, humanoid life, inside the Nexus. Otherwise Dr. Soran and Picard would have been vaporized as the Nexus passed around them. With the ship destroyed, the very moment of being destroyed, the passengers and crew of both ships would have been exposed to the Nexus, entirely and pulled into the Nexus. Even those who were thought lost on the SS Robert Fox and the SS Lakul, are still most likely inside of the Nexus, unaware of what even happened.

Without knowing where the Nexus actually came from and where it has been, we don't know who or what the Nexus has encountered or what might come out of the Nexus.

The Admonition is meant to destroy all organic based lifeforms and the Nexus preserves all organic life forms, does the Nexus destroy all synthetic based life forms?

Uncertain.

If the Admonition is Hell for organics and the Nexus is Heaven for organics, then the Nexus could have been created at the same time the Admonition was.

 

[publiusr]

Maybe the Nexus is like the Borg…join us for joy…

 

[Tango]

The nexus seems very weird to me. Sort of a naturally-occuring (?) time-travel holodeck thingy. Thought it was a bad idea, frankly.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Is it any worse than a hot tub time machine?

 

[Tosk]

I'd be willing to bet that Hot Tub Time Machine has more internal consistency than Generations.