Star Trek: CAPTAIN PIKE
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Military operations and the like had nothing to do with Christopher Pike and the Cage version of the Enterprise...
^ Well, that was the only mission of Pike's Enterprise that we ever saw on screen. So we don't know what other hijinks they may have been involved in over the years of their mission.
And he needs to be able to break out into a grin when he sees singing plants, pronounce "can't" as "cohn't," and be shouting all the time.
"THE WOMEN!!!"
Kor
And he needs to be able to break out into a grin when he sees singing plants, pronounce "can't" as "cohn't," and be shouting all the time.
"THE WOMEN!!!"
Kor
Why? To impose our modern cultural values on a depiction of the 23rd century? Surely cultural mores in 200 years are going to be vastly different than those on earth today. Also considering the interaction with other alien species who will have vastly different cultures and ways of thinking. Granted it was an imposition of 1960s cultural values. I see no reason why it has to be ignored or retconned away just to make the same mistake. I'd rather work with the material rather than just waving things away with my magic pen because I disagree with it.
I like to think that Janice Lester was delusional. She couldn't get her own command because she just wasn't fit for those duties, but she didn't want to accept that and blamed it on sexism that wasn't really there. It wouldn't be the first time someone tried to place blame on institutions to excuse their own incompetence.
It doesn't make much sense for women in Starfleet (such as Number One) to be able to advance all the way to first officer (and therefore taking command in many situations), but then there's some kind of glass ceiling that prevents them from having their own ship.
And this is a hundred years after Erika Hernandez commanded USS Columbia (yes, I went there), and fifteen years or so before the unnamed captain of USS Saratoga in STIV:TVH.
Kor
It doesn't make much sense for women in Starfleet (such as Number One) to be able to advance all the way to first officer (and therefore taking command in many situations), but then there's some kind of glass ceiling that prevents them from having their own ship.
And this is a hundred years after Erika Hernandez commanded USS Columbia (yes, I went there), and fifteen years or so before the unnamed captain of USS Saratoga in STIV:TVH.
Kor
Not the stupid argument AGAIN.
PIKE: All I wanted for that moment was to get my hands around your neck.
PIKE: I'm filling my mind with a picture of beating their huge, misshapen heads to pulp.
PIKE: I'll break out of this zoo somehow and get to you. Is your blood red like ours? I'm going to find out.
PIKE: All I want to do is get my hands on you. Can you read these thoughts? Images of hate, killing?
PIKE: Now you hold still, or I'll break your neck.
PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.
PIKE: I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?
Yeah, I get no indications that Pike seemed the "combat type."
My guess is the laser cannon is what was actually used on the ship, just unbolted from its mounts and taken down to the planet. Maybe the one they used was a "spare."
Why not blast it from orbit? Probably more effective from 20 feet away instead of hundreds of miles.
PIKE: All I wanted for that moment was to get my hands around your neck.
PIKE: I'm filling my mind with a picture of beating their huge, misshapen heads to pulp.
PIKE: I'll break out of this zoo somehow and get to you. Is your blood red like ours? I'm going to find out.
PIKE: All I want to do is get my hands on you. Can you read these thoughts? Images of hate, killing?
PIKE: Now you hold still, or I'll break your neck.
PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.
PIKE: I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?
Yeah, I get no indications that Pike seemed the "combat type."
I feel that most of that was a specific strategy to beat them once he knew their weakness (and being in a threatening and high-stress situation). Just because he's capable of something doesn't mean that's his nature.
When he's in his quarters talking with the doctor, it's pretty clear he wants nothing to do with battles and men dying under his command.
That's not a proper reading of Pike at all. We've only seen one example of the character and at the beginning of the story he sounds dedeated. For all we know Pike has seen quite a bit of death and he's fed up at that point.
PIKE: All I wanted for that moment was to get my hands around your neck.
PIKE: I'm filling my mind with a picture of beating their huge, misshapen heads to pulp.
PIKE: I'll break out of this zoo somehow and get to you. Is your blood red like ours? I'm going to find out.
PIKE: All I want to do is get my hands on you. Can you read these thoughts? Images of hate, killing?
PIKE: Now you hold still, or I'll break your neck.
PIKE: You stop this illusion, or I'll twist your head off. (it stops) All right, now you try one more illusion, you try anything at all, and I'll break your neck.
PIKE: I'm willing to bet you've created an illusion this laser is empty. I think it just blasted a hole in that window and you're keep us from seeing it. You want me to test my theory out on your head?
Yeah, I get no indications that Pike seemed the "combat type."
I feel that most of that was a specific strategy to beat them once he knew their weakness (and being in a threatening and high-stress situation). Just because he's capable of something doesn't mean that's his nature.
When he's in his quarters talking with the doctor, it's pretty clear he wants nothing to do with battles and men dying under his command.
He commands a top-of-the-line starship. And when the character was conceived he was the prototype for what would eventually become Kirk. So GR's intentions would be that Pike was quite capable and ready to deal with combat when called upon.
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What kind of traction?
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Do you mean just as a fan film or as a TV series? If you mean fan film, I'm sure there will probably be enough people to pony up the cash to make it happen. If you mean TV series, that will never happen. It's not even in the realm of possibility.
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