Frankly, that was a terribly-contrived for convenience episode. To my knowledge, everything else before and after has made Vulcans and Romulans extremely similar.
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She didn't say they had nothing in common. She said "We thought it would be like working on Vulcans, but there are subtle differences. Too many of them." And what he specifically needed was a transfusion of "compatible ribosomes." Ribosomes are protein-assembly molecules inside cells, a small part of the larger cellular machine. It'd be like if Vulcans and Romulans are basically the same make of car, but Romulans are a newer model that doesn't use the same, ohh, fuel injector nozzles as the old model, because they're using the same kind of nozzles used in Klingon cars.
Although I did always feel that was a contrived plot point, because everything else from "Balance of Terror" onward has made it clear that, yes, Romulans are an offshoot of the Vulcans, descendants of a population that left Vulcan in the 4th century CE. I could buy Romulans having subtle differences from their Vulcan forebears, but why would their ribosomes change to be similar to Klingon ribosomes, when there's no relation between the two species?
What the hell? Of course they're related, they share common ancestry, that's basic Vulcan/Romulan 101 which even Q confirmed. So we can be damn sure they're related.
All Dr. Crusher said in The Enemy was that there were too many subtle differences between Vulcans and Romulans to rule out a blood transfusion from a Vulcan donor. Contrived mostly to set up the moral quandary for Worf, and even that inherit flaws to it. But yes, they are related, and we can be sure of that.
Obviously David Kemper and Michael Piller were fans of Corona, which establishes a common ancestry between Klingons, Romulans, and Kshatriyans.
TrekCore has posted a nice article explaining where the Franklin fits into what we know of 22nd-century history:
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/heres-where-the-franklin-fits-in-the-star-trek-timeline/
Some highlights:
Interesting stuff there.
http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/07/heres-where-the-franklin-fits-in-the-star-trek-timeline/
Some highlights:
Interesting stuff there.
As far as registry numbers seeming "out of sequence" or "much higher than makes sense", etc - It's never been established that the Federation numbers its ships purely incrementally. In database systems, for example, its common for identifier ranges to be split and allocated for different purposes, with increments occurring within each range (distributed systems, for example). So you may have situations where different shipyards assign registry numbers based on a pre-allocated range of registry numbers, or where certain significant digits may indicate a class, commission year, or even an element of design.
So its possible for the NX program to be numbering sequentially within a zero-based range, while other ship lines were assigning from different ranges, and similarly when the ships of various member worlds were absorbed into the Federation fleet.
I'm waiting to see if CLB will work in Edison into the prime continuity,,, since I figure he's out there somewhere in that nebula.
Doubtful. As things currently stand, we're supposed to avoid anything that's first put forth in the reboot movies.
Since the Franklin disappeared in 2164 and my books are now moving into 2166, I don't really have to worry about Edison or his ship. As for what the movie established about 22nd-century stuff, there aren't any real conflicts with what I've done so far, except the uniforms, and Starfleet uniform styles change pretty often anyway. (Maybe the Franklin uniforms are a style that was in use up until just before A Choice of Futures, and they didn't change to the new design because they were out exploring deep space the whole time, sort of like why Voyager didn't change to the FC/DS9 uniforms.)
Maybe Edison and the crew of the Franklin crew simply disregarded cross-species uniform regulations because no one could reprimand them for minor violations of regulations in deep space.
Is it any different than the Sagittarius crew wearing a more practical uniform? Not really an issue, in my opinion.
About the best we can expect is a vague reference, nothing too direct.
In my head canon, the Franklin is named for Rosalind Franklin...
Having just got back from Beyond, I will say for the record that I am finally totally in acceptance that this Ambassador Spock is in fact Spock Prime. I do believe however that the new timeline is drastically different, even before the Kelvin is destroyed, due the fact that KT Kirk has different effects on the past when and if he travels back in time, and the KT future Federation has a different effect on the Temporal Cold War, specifically resilting in alot of differences during the ENT era.
I honestly don't see any clear differences between ENT and what was revealed about the 22nd century in the film, beyond the same kind of slight tweaks to expectations that ENT itself introduced vis-a-vis previous series. The one thing that came closest to a blatant inconsistency was the implication of a broader conflict with the Xindi, but that's vague enough to be finessed (maybe Edison was one of the MACOs on Enterprise but we never saw him on camera).
But if we're accepting that the timeline is different before the Narada Incident, there's no need for anything to be finessed. And the Temporal Cold War being effected down the line by the timeline changes seems to be an obvious explanation for timeline changes in the past as well.
But there's no real need for anything to be contradicted either. This new model doesn't require everything to be different. Obviously a lot is still the same -- there's still a Federation, a Starfleet, a Pike, a Kirk, a Spock, an Enterprise, etc. The retroactive-change model gives us an explanation for major inconsistencies pre-2233. I'm just saying I don't see any major inconsistencies in Beyond's version of the 2150s-60s. They actually mentioned the Xindi and the MACOs. They used a ship design and uniform design consistent with the period. So there's a lot of stuff that is consistent. And I don't really see anything that's fundamentally inconsistent. You said there were "a lot of differences during the ENT era." What differences, specifically, did you see?
Well it's really not a big deal to me... But specifically:
I just accept on face value what Edison said about the Xindi and Romulan Wars. It could be twisted a little to fit ENT but the plainest meaning of it is a larger Xindi conflict.
And the existance of the Franklin in the Starfleet production lineage we currently know would require a bit of squinting. It's totally possible to make sense of it, but it doesn't have an obvious and easy explanation. Given the automatic possibility of timeline changes, and the fact that the ENT era would be the most ripe time for effects from the future to make changes in the past, that seems like the more straightforward explanation to me.
But I really don't mind either way.
I'll add here that my biggest comment on Beyond would be the awesomeness of the Beastie Boys saving the day. In Voyager or the other 24th century series there would have been a complex technobabble solution to their problem. But in Beyond, while there was a technical explanation given, it boiled down to the plan being "Roll down the windows and blare Beastie Boys at them while we floor it!!!!!"
I just accept on face value what Edison said about the Xindi and Romulan Wars. It could be twisted a little to fit ENT but the plainest meaning of it is a larger Xindi conflict.
And the existance of the Franklin in the Starfleet production lineage we currently know would require a bit of squinting. It's totally possible to make sense of it, but it doesn't have an obvious and easy explanation. Given the automatic possibility of timeline changes, and the fact that the ENT era would be the most ripe time for effects from the future to make changes in the past, that seems like the more straightforward explanation to me.
But I really don't mind either way.
I'll add here that my biggest comment on Beyond would be the awesomeness of the Beastie Boys saving the day. In Voyager or the other 24th century series there would have been a complex technobabble solution to their problem. But in Beyond, while there was a technical explanation given, it boiled down to the plan being "Roll down the windows and blare Beastie Boys at them while we floor it!!!!!"
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