Something else that needs to happen, re Spock

[FredH]

So, Spock in SNW quite healthily tries to balance his heritages: he’s culturally Vulcan, but he’s quite open to getting better at “emotional intelligence” and doesn’t deny his emotions.

Of course, by the time of TOS he’s insistently more Vulcan than the Vulcans, actively denying his emotions and doing his best to ignore his human half.

Obviously, something happens. I hope SNW will show us what it was.

 

[Oddish]

That would be interesting, I agree. I'm glad they let Ethan Peck give his own interpretation of the character, but it will be nice to have some continuity.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

They have spoken about the way that Spock was in The Cage (smiling, yelling, far more emotional than he would be come the series, when some of Majel Barrett's Number One were transferred to him) being a partial influence of his portrayal in both Discovery and SNW - Spock in SNW is younger, surrounded by emotional races as crewmates, trying to figure himself out and trying to blend in with the people around him, after his experiences with Vulcan children who didn't really accept him as one of them.

Moreover, we saw Spock outright acknowledge that he had lost emotional control from the events of All Those Who Wander, and that those events had damaged his ability to restrain his emotions (hence his desperate "you do not die" when reviving Chapel in The Broken Circle), and that M'Benga has been giving him exercises that help him regain that control. Between that and the inevitable implosion of what happens between him and Chapel, it's reasonable that would send him retreating back in to Vulcan mode, to compartmentalize those emotions.

 

[Mudd]

The producers are smart enough to follow the performances. We're not going to see oldSpock redux and thank God for that.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Still waiting to watch S2 sometime after all episodes have aired, but now with Christine and Spock being a couple, I guess Spock's wedding mentioned in TNG wasn't him marrying Saavik but Chapel

Think it could alternatively also explain Christine being around Sarek in TVH, if the marriage happened earlier.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Picard would have been to a wedding of Sarek's son (which presumably means Spock) at least 70 years after the events of Strange New Worlds. Short of her going missing in a timewarp shortly after 2286 I can't see how the dates would work.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Picard would have been to a wedding of Sarek's son (which presumably means Spock) at least 70 years after the events of Strange New Worlds. Short of her going missing in a timewarp shortly after 2286 I can't see how the dates would work.

Why? Chapel may still be around then, considering how long humans can live in Trek.

 

[Ronald Held]

By the end of SNW I would prefer WNMHGB Spock or early TOS Spock.

 

[Yistaan]

So, Spock in SNW quite healthily tries to balance his heritages: he’s culturally Vulcan, but he’s quite open to getting better at “emotional intelligence” and doesn’t deny his emotions.

Of course, by the time of TOS he’s insistently more Vulcan than the Vulcans, actively denying his emotions and doing his best to ignore his human half.

Obviously, something happens. I hope SNW will show us what it was.

Chapel dumps him for Korby. Much like some men in our real world, Spock proceeds to shut down all his emotions to deal with the pain. Not sure it's more complicated than that.

 

[fireproof78]

Chapel dumps him for Korby. Much like some men in our real world, Spock proceeds to shut down all his emotions to deal with the pain. Not sure it's more complicated than that.

It really doesn't need to be.

Naturally, it will.

 

[Mudd]

Let's not ever see the oldTrek versions of these characters again. They're decades out of date, even more so than the TNG characters.

 

[MrShinzoff]

He was much more like his old self in the season 1 finale. They're clearly working towards getting to that point.

 

[Fandango831]

I love seeing the slow development of veteran characters in SNW and I cherish that the writing room seemingly relishes the chance to fill gaps that flesh out characters like Spock. With that said it's 2259 and with ~7 years of separation I do hope they don't feel the need to rush to TOS and instead just continue to prioritize their own stories with sprinkles of canon-connection/growth here and there that relates to TOS off in the distance.

 

[Yistaan]

Sarek: So human.

Kirk: Spock?

Spock: Your technique is flawed Sybok. You say you show people their pain to confront it, but this vision is not even close to being anything resembling what one might call "my pain".

Sybok:

Kirk: Really?

McCoy (whispers to Kirk): It's Chapel dumping him for Roger Korby when they served with Pike.

 

[The Wormhole]

Still waiting to watch S2 sometime after all episodes have aired, but now with Christine and Spock being a couple, I guess Spock's wedding mentioned in TNG wasn't him marrying Saavik but Chapel

Think it could alternatively also explain Christine being around Sarek in TVH, if the marriage happened earlier.

We don't know that was Spock's wedding, just the wedding of "Sarek's son." For all we know, Sarek has another son, or will have one who will be old enough to marry when Picard is a junior officer.

 

[Tuskin38]

By the end of SNW I would prefer WNMHGB Spock or early TOS Spock.

WNMHGB Spock was emotional and smiling.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We don't know that was Spock's wedding, just the wedding of "Sarek's son." For all we know, Sarek has another son, or will have one who will be old enough to marry when Picard is a junior officer.

If Sarek had had any children other than Spock and Sybok, we would have met them. At least in "Unification" when Sarek was dying.

Sarek: So human.

That line always makes me laugh. What, Vulcan babies don't cry?

 

[fireproof78]

WNMHGB Spock was emotional and smiling.

Which is funny because he says "Because she feels; I don't."

That line always makes me laugh. What, Vulcan babies don't cry?

I imagine that it is quite a distorted memory.

 

[The Wormhole]

If Sarek had had any children other than Spock and Sybok, we would have met them. At least in "Unification" when Sarek was dying.

Why? We went twenty years before learning about Sybok. And fifty-one years before hearing about Michael. It's very possible Sarek has a lot of children we know nothing about. Dude lived over 200 years, had sex at least every seven years and we're supposed to believe he has only two biological children and one adopted? Besides, it's not like Sarek mentioned Michael while he was dying.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

It's been suggested that the only reason PIcard didn't mention Spock by name was so that Spock's actual appearance at the end of the episode would remain a surprise. I'm down with that.