SNW needs an alien crew member
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Ok cool! I don't think I've seen that episode proper so that'll be cool when I get around to it.
Keyla Detmer from DIS is supposed to be German.
Only according to a novel which has been completely contradicted by on screen Disco.
Okay let's put this another way. Someone mentions a lack of black characters and everyone replies with "well there was so and so who might have been black, but it was never mentioned on screen" and "I think the bloke who played the Romulan in Picard was black but they sort of whited him up for it though now and again you can see the black bits poking through". Would we tolerate that?
But it makes sense for Una, in that she's an alien desperately trying to not let anyone know she is an alien...
I think SNW is fine as is. Rather than aliens or women or whatever, i'm still just more butthurt that they used Dr. M'Benga over Dr. Boyce. Although I wouldn't mind another alien, and I think Pelia is kind of a waste. Like she's not bad, but to reference this comment here... we now have two aliens who look and act like humans. And Spock... who SNW apparently decided to make Vulcan-Lite and is pretty much just a debbie-downer human.
Having Hemmer was cool, and then ultimately a cop out by not really being around much anyway and getting killed off.
I kind of feel like this SNW steering in to the TOS mold a little bit more, with aliens who looked like human happening a lot of the time. And Spock is just exploring his more human side, encouraged by his betrothed, and will likely end up more Vulcan by the end, especially given his experiences.
He was a secondary character, not a main character, with the plan to only be on one season as that character.
I think you are deflecting and using back people ad a crutch to defend your position.
Again, Keyla Detmer is supposed to be Germany. It come from the same novel where a bunch of tidbits were first mentioned before they became canon onscreen in DIS. From Saru being rescued by Starfleet officers, to Number Ones first name being Una, to a bit of Burnham’s backstory.
I don't mind it in general. My only minor issue is that both Una and Pelia look human and... act human. I can excuse it for both due to their back stories... hell in the case of Pelia, she's almost might as well be human anyway (although, it bothers me that she wasn't an El-Aurian... Pre-Warp Earth is getting crowded with aliens).
When it comes down to it though, i'd rather it be as is than inventing some new alien. If we did get another alien-looking alien on the show, given when its set I want something established.
I mean, we already had Flint from TOS. Pelia is the same way. Same with Apollo and his kind.
So, again, SNW leaning hard in to the TOS mold.
Yeah, I would prefer that too if they add a new character.
That was kind of my point though. We ALREADY have so many. We really didn't need another one.
I mean, given how huge the population of the Earth is, and was, 14 really isn't that many. 15 if you count Guinan. That's probably less than one percent.
Not at all. As a person from the Indian subcontinent, one of the largest ethnicities on the planet, we are omitted and depicted in a way that would be unacceptable elsewhere and on this and other forums we are patted on the back with "well almost" comments pointing to the inclusion of actors like Siddig (Sudanese British) and Fehr (Israeli) as somehow making that omission alright. If that were done in that way in respect to the representation of many other groups on here, there would be outrage.
So true. In universe unless there was a Thanos Snap and half the nonwhite folks after WW3 disappeared from Earth, under a real United Earth state most of the Starfleet crew should not be made up of white human males.
IRL most of the casting seems to be for white human males
Curious as to what you mean by "depicted in a way that would be unacceptable elsewhere". There have been a handful of characters from or played by people with roots on the Indian subcontinent.
The most prominent would be
Khan Noonien Singh (played by non-Indian actors on two occasions and once by an actor of Indian descent)
La'an Noonien-Singh, the character has some Indian ancestry 300 years past (played by Anglo-Chinese actress Christina Chong)
Ilia a Deltan ( played by Indian actress Persis Khambatta)
Captain Robau (played by Pakistani-American Actor Faran Tahir)
Ellen Landry (played by Canadian Indo-Fijian Actress Rekha Sharma)
T'Pring a Vulcan (played by Indian-Canadian actress Gia Sandhu) Her parents are also played by actors of Indian ancestry
Others
Captain Chandra (played by Reginald Lal Singh)
Lt Radha (played by a non-Indian actress)
Mister Singh (played by an Hawaiian-American)
Unnamed Captain in STIV (played by Indian Actor/athlete/sportscaster Vijay Amritraj)
Lt. Singh (played by British-Indian actor Kavi Raz)
Another Khan relative!
It’s a common Sikh name. It’s like Smith.
Bring on Keenser. Scotty's little alien assistant. At least the Prime timeline counterpart to him. Love to see him and Scotty work together in the prime timeline.
Well, rather than we fill the 23rd Century show with Aliens and diversity of species, I prefer the 23rd century as more racism and suspicious era toward different species in the galaxy. I think everything need a progress. When the 24th Century can be considered as the modern era in Star Trek, where humans and different species are interconnected and live in harmony, the 23rd century should be an era of progression. Where racism, suspicious, hatred still engulf the heart of many species in the galaxy. But the trend goes into positive way like in the 24th century. It should be better or more positive than the bleak idea like in Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem.
But the trend is currently disturbed, because of The war between Federation and Klingon that happen in Discovery season 1. The war really devastated Federation; specially humans in both Military and Economy power. It completely frighten the people.
In a situation like this, there should be a trouble of disunity inside the Federation. Some members would be thinking that join the Federation is a wrong choice. While the others use this moment to question about the competency of Starfleet, and demand that incompetent human to relinquish their leadership to another species. The bickering cause disunity, and disunity disturb a lot of cooperation programs that the Federation has before.
That's why Officer Exchange Program is dead in the era of TOS, and we saw only Spock as the only Alien in the ship. We can say that Starfleet is no longer the trend for Non Humans Federation members as their career choice. As they think that Starfleet is weak and useless.
But the trend is currently disturbed, because of The war between Federation and Klingon that happen in Discovery season 1. The war really devastated Federation; specially humans in both Military and Economy power. It completely frighten the people.
In a situation like this, there should be a trouble of disunity inside the Federation. Some members would be thinking that join the Federation is a wrong choice. While the others use this moment to question about the competency of Starfleet, and demand that incompetent human to relinquish their leadership to another species. The bickering cause disunity, and disunity disturb a lot of cooperation programs that the Federation has before.
That's why Officer Exchange Program is dead in the era of TOS, and we saw only Spock as the only Alien in the ship. We can say that Starfleet is no longer the trend for Non Humans Federation members as their career choice. As they think that Starfleet is weak and useless.
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