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Smash.

Oddly, this week's Bollywood number had far more white people than Scheherezade probably ever had in mind. ;)

Mark
 
They wouldn't have cast Rob Schneider for it. BUT, I could see someone casting Rob Schneider in a comedy on Broadway, and it helping.

This analogy is more like, casting Schneider in a serious drama. Like Schneider, Rebecca presumably has roles that she can handle or else she wouldn't have a movie career, but singing is not her thing.

And yeah, actually, the Kardashians, in the right show, would work.

I wouldn't pay any money to see them.

Though one has to one what 1001 Nights, ie, the Arabian Nights have to do fuck all with India...

IIRC, there are Indian influences in the 1001 Nights. And India was ruled by Muslims for a couple of Centuries so there was some cultural interchange.

I wouldn't bet any money that the writers knew that when they wrote that song. :rommie:
 
They wouldn't have cast Rob Schneider for it. BUT, I could see someone casting Rob Schneider in a comedy on Broadway, and it helping.

This analogy is more like, casting Schneider in a serious drama. Like Schneider, Rebecca presumably has roles that she can handle or else she wouldn't have a movie career, but singing is not her thing.

I don't disagree with your overall point. I'm just saying in real life, where casting directors know about what people can and can't do, Schneider COULD find a job on Broadway. I'm assuming you also chose Schneider because he is a vacuum of talent? (Which is true.)

And yeah, actually, the Kardashians, in the right show, would work.

I wouldn't pay any money to see them.

You might not. But, lots of people watch their shows. So, I'm sure, in the right project, people would.

Though one has to one what 1001 Nights, ie, the Arabian Nights have to do fuck all with India...

IIRC, there are Indian influences in the 1001 Nights. And India was ruled by Muslims for a couple of Centuries so there was some cultural interchange.

I wouldn't bet any money that the writers knew that when they wrote that song. :rommie:

Was that an original written for the show? I has assumed it was something they pulled from something else.

I feel like most of the original songs are the ones in Marilyn.
 
The Bollywood song seemed too well crafted to Karen's situation to be off the shelf, so I assumed it was new. The original songs for the musical tend to be the best, tho.
 
Though one has to one what 1001 Nights, ie, the Arabian Nights have to do fuck all with India...

IIRC, there are Indian influences in the 1001 Nights. And India was ruled by Muslims for a couple of Centuries so there was some cultural interchange.

My Indian wife disagrees with you. Not about the facts of Muslim rule, but that 1001 Nights having anything to do with India.

It would be like... singing a Russian folk song dressed in Mongolian clothing. (It's the only example I could come up with.) The countries probably had cultural influences, but not in that way.
The wiki has this to say:

Speculation about Indian origins
Some scholars have seen an ultimate Indian origin for the Nights. The collection makes use of devices found in Sanskrit literature such as frame stories and animal fables.[7] Indian folklore is represented in the Nights by certain animal stories, which reflect influence from ancient Sanskrit fables. The influence of the Panchatantra and Baital Pachisi is particularly notable.[8] The Jataka Tales are a collection of 547 Buddhist stories, which are for the most part moral stories with an ethical purpose. The Tale of the Bull and the Ass and the linked Tale of the Merchant and his Wife are found in the frame stories of both the Jataka and the Nights.[9]
 
They're overthingking this.

Is it illegal for Bollywood to interpret anything thing through a bollywood filter?

Sure there's been no Indians on the moon, but why can't Bollywood make their own version of Apollo 13 or From earth to the Moon? A Bollywood movie about Nascar, the rise and fall of the third reich or the Ku klux Klan?

What the hell right does an American have to play Sherlock fucking Holmes?

http://articles.timesofindia.indiat...tive-story-rajit-kapoor-chaar-aane-ki-baarish
 
IIRC, there are Indian influences in the 1001 Nights. And India was ruled by Muslims for a couple of Centuries so there was some cultural interchange.

My Indian wife disagrees with you. Not about the facts of Muslim rule, but that 1001 Nights having anything to do with India.

It would be like... singing a Russian folk song dressed in Mongolian clothing. (It's the only example I could come up with.) The countries probably had cultural influences, but not in that way.
The wiki has this to say:

Speculation about Indian origins
Some scholars have seen an ultimate Indian origin for the Nights. The collection makes use of devices found in Sanskrit literature such as frame stories and animal fables.[7] Indian folklore is represented in the Nights by certain animal stories, which reflect influence from ancient Sanskrit fables. The influence of the Panchatantra and Baital Pachisi is particularly notable.[8] The Jataka Tales are a collection of 547 Buddhist stories, which are for the most part moral stories with an ethical purpose. The Tale of the Bull and the Ass and the linked Tale of the Merchant and his Wife are found in the frame stories of both the Jataka and the Nights.[9]

Don't know what to tell you. My wife isn't wikipedia. She's just a gal from Delhi.
 
I liked the Bollywood scene too. This is what I meant when I wrote further up thread that the show needed better presentation of the musical numbers. Though honestly, I laughed initially when I saw Karen's boyfriend out front with his awkward dancing. But as the number developed, I really got into it. Best part though was Katherine. Didn't care much for the actual song though -- just didn't grab me.

More annoying Julia family crap. But I like the way Rebecca is driving a wedge between Karen and the boyfriend. We can assume that Ellis' motivation is, like most in the show, money fame, and power but it does seem like he is acting in a vacuum.

I've never seen Gossip Girl, a showrunner from this show does not excite me. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised.
 
What the hell right does an American have to play Sherlock fucking Holmes?
You have something against Robert Downey Jr? :confused:

Only my body.

Now above that question I claim that Bollywood can make movies about anything staring Bollywood actors even if they don't look or sound like the characters were intended to be portraying from "original source material", or even speak in the expected language, because y'know it's a stylistic impression by creative visionaries.

Art, for arts sake (and money.)

Then below that question about Robbie I supplied a link about a bollywood movie about Holmes staring a Bollywood actor playing Sherlock Holmes.

So, I suspect, not that I should have to because these are my own thoughts, that the answer to my question "what right does a fucking American have to play Sherlock Holmes" is: "Every right"

But lets get one thing right, I have lived with a few Indians, and I am currently living with a couple kids from Bangladesh, and I cannot stress how awful and immature Bollywood film making is. You can call it a culture schism, but I seriously believe that they are producing the same sort of movies that hollywood was making in the 50s, because I have been forced to sit through several (Dubbed/Subbed or shut up we booked the TV deal, with it.) of their finest offerings by people, who I usually know are not retarded, that insist if only I just give these films a chance, I will enjoy myself.

LIARS!

Besides, I've seen George C. Scott play Holmes, anyone after that is a triumph.
 
"Smash: The Show That Teaches Us It's Okay To Have Affairs As Long As Production On the Musical Keeps Going"

That is all.

Mark
 
So imagine Danny and Christine were hooking up, but then Danny and Aaron had a drunken make out session and none of them could be in the same room anymore...

So you can respect their fragile feelings Mark, or cancel your next 5 shows until every one calms down and they all have new boyfriends and girlfriends, so that you can sorta mostly trust that no venomous shit will go down with anyone's peanut allergy.
 
...Or I can fire the lot of them for having relationships that interfere with the show, and backfill from the pool of actors currently on the waiting list or in classes. Happens more often than you think - and clauses to that effect are in more than one actor's contract. ;)

Mark
 
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It's good to be king.

Tom and Sam's dad teaming up was hilarious.

Dev is acting like a child.

And if Julia does sleep with Michael, his sperm is much better than her husbands afterwhich she's going to have trouble explaining that.
 
This show has one problem: it's writing, plain and simple.

Every character acts on basic instincts, never taking the time to stop and think. It's almost like watching a bad high school play.

Take Derek for example. His sleeping around. Does he want to sleep with Rebecca because she can take him further in his career? Did he originally think Ivy was his meal ticket? Is he addicted to sex? He is trying to impregnate a plethora of women to create his own Master Race? Who knows! It's not explained other than he is a horrible person to Ivy, who the writing can't decide if we are supposed to feel sorry for or she has hopped the set from "Revenge."

Karen, the bumpkin we are supposed to love. But her insane reaction to a wedding proposal from a long time boyfriend is: "I'm in tech." Way to make us theatre people look like brain dead slobs. If you can set aside ten seconds for the guy that has supported to you in your career, you have lost focus.

Since Season One is almost over in a trainwreck, here's what I would do to save the show in Season Two:

1) Karen and Ivy are cast in the chorus on other show and have to watch as a brand new rookie comes in and steals the starring role from under their noses. Make them friends and dump this rivalry.
2) Cut the Irish Mob boyfriend for Anjelica Houston. Sure, she wants to break away from the ex-husband, okay, but he adds nothing to her storyline.
3) Cut the Ellis character. Add a villain who has legitimate reasons to dislike our two leading ladies. Maybe a fellow chorus member, who has been passed over as well and will do anything to get her shot.
4) Bring Derek and Tom back, but develop them from caricatures. Also bring back Julia, but make her a happy family or blow it up. This resolution of her husband comes back after she cheats on him because she asks was totally unrealistic. Cut the kid completely.
5) As I've said before, not every male in theatre is the walking embodiment of "We're Here, We're Queer, Get Used To It." I like Tom's current squeeze because he has bucked that trend. It's fine to be gay, don't take this as homophobic, but that has irked me since day as a person that is involved in theatre.
6) Fire the entire writing staff.
 
Derek believes that his leading women are his leading woman.

It's what all men do.

We find something beautiful, or make some thing beautiful, and then we want to stick our cock in it.

Okay imagine Karen was crashing a car, she's half way through crashing a car and Dev proposes marriage. It's vindictive for this child to make her impossible life more impossible, just because his life has just about died. He's almost jealous of her "nothing". Karen acts like its all so huge but it's really nothing, but the intensity of her worth she beleves the show is placing in her is a stark contrast to the abandonment and exile Dev is suffering in his own work place.
 
Yeah the writing is obtuse, lacking in subtlety or anything surprising that would make these characters more individualized. At least when Tom & Sam had dinner with the family, the big issue was not sexual orientation or race, but money (which is a valid issue for a dancer, and actually germane to the series premise!)

The only thing worthwhile this week is the same thing that's often been this show's saving grace: Megan Hilty's performance. They don't need to throw in more glitz for the musical numbers. All she did was sing in an empty hotel room, and it was incredible, nothing but pure talent on display.

The trouble is, Hilty's the only one who can do that. Katharine McPhee can sing, but doesn't have the talent to actually perform a character while singing, or at least I've never seen her do that on this show. She seems like a recording artist, period. Not a stage/screen performer.

But McPhee is still vastly better than Uma Thurman, who put zero effort into her birthday song for Derek. She didn't even remotely sound like Marilyn. Maybe the idea is that the character can't sing and Thurman could do better, but it doesn't help us suffer through her performances. Ivy, put the peanuts in her smoothie already!!! It's a mercy killing (mercy on the audience.)

Dev and Ivy just happening to end up at the same bar? My eyeballs were rolling out of my head. And Derek's just a slut. :p
 
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