Smash.
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There should be a concise word for that.
Feckilfy?
Scatolagellate?
Feckilfy?
Scatolagellate?
Mad Men is in the same boat - I find the ad business stuff interesting (ironically, in this case because it is familiar to me) but I bailed on the show last season because I didn't give a hoot about any of the characters on a personal basis. The Drapers' family drama was especially boring. When I don't care about anyone, I just can't get into a show.
However, I DVRed the last part of last season and the premiere, and will give the show another shot sooner or later. They shoulda kept Sal.
I had no interest in Mad Men and had no intention of getting into this show, but I happened to catch a rerun of an episode from late last season while channel surfing a few months ago. Normally I would have blown right by the show but what was happening in the scene (I came into the middle of) was so fascinating that I continued to watch. The next scene was even better. I started watching the from season 1 on Netflix and I now understand what everyone has been talking about.
It's not for everyone, the drama, for the most part, can be very subtle. It does require some patience. But having seen the entire run of the series, I put it right up there with the Sopranos and Breaking Bad in terms of the greatest one hour drama series' ever on T.V. BTW, with everything that's happened on the show since, I don't miss Sal at all.
I had patience with that show for three years. That's a lot of patience for me. 
Or for anyone, really.
Anyway, now Smash is trying my patience. Last night's episode was awful! What is happening to this show? I thought it would be a goodun, since it's all about Derek staging a coup but it was just one godawful booooring scene after another and the "coup" is actually idiotic.
Tom and Julia should have fallen on the floor laughing at that lame-ass generic autotuned monstrosity Derek came up with. The songs in the musical to date may be traditional, but at least they have some relevance to a person named Marilyn Monroe. Derek's new song could have been about any troubled star - Whitney Houston for instance. It was just mindless generic noise. Who is going pay Broadway ticket prices for the kind of crap you can find for free on YouTube? Yet all the characters completely ignored that Derek's idea was terrible and instead focused on how it was a huge betrayal. Eilleen should have realized that the song was a crippling indictment of Derek's taste as a director, and fired him on the spot.
However, Derek and Tom's fight, and Tom breaking the bad news to Ivy, were great scenes. This series continues to be an unpredictable mish-mash of scenes that work and scenes that are bad-to-disastrous.
Or for anyone, really.Anyway, now Smash is trying my patience. Last night's episode was awful! What is happening to this show? I thought it would be a goodun, since it's all about Derek staging a coup but it was just one godawful booooring scene after another and the "coup" is actually idiotic.
Tom and Julia should have fallen on the floor laughing at that lame-ass generic autotuned monstrosity Derek came up with. The songs in the musical to date may be traditional, but at least they have some relevance to a person named Marilyn Monroe. Derek's new song could have been about any troubled star - Whitney Houston for instance. It was just mindless generic noise. Who is going pay Broadway ticket prices for the kind of crap you can find for free on YouTube? Yet all the characters completely ignored that Derek's idea was terrible and instead focused on how it was a huge betrayal. Eilleen should have realized that the song was a crippling indictment of Derek's taste as a director, and fired him on the spot.
However, Derek and Tom's fight, and Tom breaking the bad news to Ivy, were great scenes. This series continues to be an unpredictable mish-mash of scenes that work and scenes that are bad-to-disastrous.
Well, as I said, it's not for everyone.I had patience with that show for three years. That's a lot of patience for me.
TVLine details the many ways this week's episode sucked.
Hints that changes are coming to Smash in S2.
It's a good sign that somebody realizes this show is at least 50% misfire. I don't think they should ditch Ellis, but they do need to make him more of a villainous troublemaker. (I also have a hard time remembering he's supposed to be straight, because the actor is either very gay or playing him very gay, but that's not necessarily a problem for the character.)
Hints that changes are coming to Smash in S2.
It's a good sign that somebody realizes this show is at least 50% misfire. I don't think they should ditch Ellis, but they do need to make him more of a villainous troublemaker. (I also have a hard time remembering he's supposed to be straight, because the actor is either very gay or playing him very gay, but that's not necessarily a problem for the character.)
I had patience with that show for three years. That's a lot of patience for me.
Anyway, now Smash is trying my patience. Last night's episode was awful! What is happening to this show? I thought it would be a goodun, since it's all about Derek staging a coup but it was just one godawful booooring scene after another and the "coup" is actually idiotic.
And to be blunt: impossible. In the real world of Broadway, the writers OWN their material. They OWN it. They license it to a producer. They CAN'T be replaced. It's THEIR SHOW.
It would be a LITTLE different for a show like Disney's The Little Mermaid... where the writers would be using licensed characters, and they COULD be removed, however, any material they create would be THEIRS. Disney would have to start over with a new script.
I know it's inside baseball what I'm talking about, but for fuck's sake, Rebeck KNOWS all of this. She KNOWS it.
The director in SMASH couldn't just ask someone else to write a song for the show... it's not HIS SHOW. He's HIRED to direct THE SHOW. He can ask for rewrites of the CREATORS, but they can also say: no.
Writing a Broadway show, writing for theater, is DIFFERENT than TV, which is work for hire. Theater, especially Broadway, is NOT work for hire. Certainly not at the level of these two writers.
It's like the theater people who are writing it just... didn't show up or something. It's an idiotic episode.
I agree with a comment I read on one of the links above that Ivy basically slept her way to the top, carrying this "I'm the next star!" attitude. She needs to be fixed or dropped.
Ellis is tiresome. The writer's might as well grow him a mustache for him to twirl.
I never bought the Julia/Michael "Our love is so great that she will throw away her marriage and he even got married and had a kid!"
Ellis is tiresome. The writer's might as well grow him a mustache for him to twirl.
I never bought the Julia/Michael "Our love is so great that she will throw away her marriage and he even got married and had a kid!"
Because it was clear, they weren't in love, they were just horny. "Don't touch me, I can't think when you touch me!"
What's love got to do with it?
She has her husband for love.
She has her husband for love.
Dance on Ivy's grave much?
I have to say, as bad as I was supposed to feel for Ivy, I just couldn't work up to it. Especially after she rubs salt into Karen with that "stabbed Tom and Julia in the back" comment. Frankly, Ivy needed to taken down a peg or five.
I'm just concerned Karen is going to get a huge backlash from this. Tom was never really in her camp and Julia could see her participation as a huge betrayal. Granted, it would be tacky to fire Karen as she was taking orders from Derik and had Eileen's backing; OTOH, "tacky" doesn't stop that many people.
And that bowling alley scene. Oh Dear Og. What, did they mix up the script pages from last season's High School Musical?
I'm just concerned Karen is going to get a huge backlash from this. Tom was never really in her camp and Julia could see her participation as a huge betrayal. Granted, it would be tacky to fire Karen as she was taking orders from Derik and had Eileen's backing; OTOH, "tacky" doesn't stop that many people.
And that bowling alley scene. Oh Dear Og. What, did they mix up the script pages from last season's High School Musical?
I'm pretty certain I wont be back regardless, but I AM curious, now that I know there's a new showrunner... We'll see.
If anything it just depends on what else is on... or how deep my reading list is.
I agree. If Ivy was supposed to be this sympathetic character, why was she written as such a bitch?
Vulture has a funny recap of the episode.
I particularly like their interpretation of what's really behind the Derek-vs-Tom feud. Yeah, I thought so... Damn you, network TV, why isn't this on Showtime???
I particularly like their interpretation of what's really behind the Derek-vs-Tom feud. Yeah, I thought so...
Damn you, network TV, why isn't this on Showtime???
I definitely got a 'You raped me!" - "I did not, you were drunk and loved it!" vibe out of those two.
I hope the new showrunner is paying attention to this thread. We just gave them the key to stopping the ratings erosion cold next season. 
EDIT: Those little teases at eonline got my hopes up!
But sadly, it doesn't turn out to be Tom and Derek. So I ask you, what's the point?
EDIT: Those little teases at eonline got my hopes up!
But sadly, it doesn't turn out to be Tom and Derek. So I ask you, what's the point?
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After you lose at the biscuit game in a private English boarding school, I don't see how anything as bland as pauxmosexuality in front of a camera can be the slightest bit daunting...
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