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Shatner Slams E.U. Censors Proposal to Ban Star Trek’s “To Boldly Go Where No MAN Has Gone Before "

I am a little confused and have gotten lost in the discussion. When was someone debating the rights of people to exist? Is it about the guy with the David Duke picture because frankly he deserved his ban.
 
Wow, assuming that means you think the right of a group of people to exist is something that can be up for debate … that’s a really ugly way of thinking, I gotta say. You might want to take a moment to really think about just what it is you are telling us about yourself here. I know I’m just some stranger on the internet to you, but genuinely, if this is how you think about people, that’s really not good or healthy or normal.

I already said, but will repeat. I will answer your question when it is presented in its own topic, and when zero punishments for reasonably stated opinions are guaranteed.

If you can't handle those conditions, then you and your associates can go back to the Neutral Zone and congratulate each other about how you totally wrecked me in that censorship debate. I won't be there to disagree.
 
I am a little confused and have gotten lost in the discussion. When was someone debating the rights of people to exist?

It's complicated.

This pool is a little too deep for my swimming level. :lol:

This pool got peed in pages ago.

It's more of a mud pit. And I'm the pig your parents warned you not to mud wrestle with (because everyone gets dirty, and the pig enjoys it). Oink. :hugegrin:
 
I already said, but will repeat. I will answer your question when it is presented in its own topic, and when zero punishments for reasonably stated opinions are guaranteed.
I’m afraid your non-answer to this very, very simple question is already answering it more than you seem to realize. “Should all people have a right to exist?” is not the clever four-dimensional chess gotcha question you seem to want to make it out to be. It’s laughably easy to answer and it’s sad that you think you need some “zero punishments” precondition to answer it.

If you can't handle those conditions, then you and your associates can go back to the Neutral Zone and congratulate each other about how you totally wrecked me in that censorship debate. I won't be there to disagree.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, man. If you think this is what’s going here, that’s certainly a little paranoid.
 
:confused: I feel pretty confident in saying that most people would agree that these three are essentially asking for the very same thing:
… a group of people’s humanity, right to exist and participate in society cannot be up for “debate”? Are you disagreeing with the statement?
Do you agree or disagree that a group of people’s humanity, right to exist and participate in society cannot be up for “debate”?
Should all people have a right to exist?
 
If you can't handle those conditions, then you and your associates can go back to the Neutral Zone and congratulate each other about how you totally wrecked me in that censorship debate. I won't be there to disagree.
I don't think Michael spends all that much time in the Neutral Zone. So, I don't think that's fair.
 
At least you're honest about it.

I don't think we've ever been anything less than open about the fact that we have community standards here that should be adhered to by members posting here. As I said recently, members can be "punished" for violating those standards, up to and including loss of membership status. Case in point: displaying an image of a former leader of the KKK. As @Michael pointed out, that's not censorship. We're a private board, not the government. And you can technically say whatever you want, as long as you're willing to accept the consequences of doing so.

Yes, we have a long history of not allowing discriminatory or bigoted speech. That has usually only been a problem for people who want to discriminate.

I am a little confused and have gotten lost in the discussion. When was someone debating the rights of people to exist? Is it about the guy with the David Duke picture because frankly he deserved his ban.

Rest assured, no one in the thread was publicly defending the Klan supporter.
 
There are some criminals I would debate that right on.
Well, there's a goal-post shift. The subject there wasn't criminals, and it wasn't about the death penalty. It was broadly about minorities.

Conflating minorities with criminals is often an effective political strategy. More broadly, telling lies is an effective political strategy, even though telling lies a textbook example of something that pretty much everybody knows is wrong.

That's not to say that you personally are engaging in this behavior, but given the goal-post shift from minorities to criminals, and given the prevalence of this conflation in the real world, it's worth observing.
 
Well, there's a goal-post shift. The subject there wasn't criminals, and it wasn't about the death penalty. It was broadly about minorities.

Conflating minorities with criminals is often an effective political strategy. More broadly, telling lies is an effective political strategy, even though telling lies a textbook example of something that pretty much everybody knows is wrong.

That's not to say that you personally are engaging in this behavior, but given the goal-post shift from minorities to criminals, and given the prevalence of this conflation in the real world, it's worth observing.
It was the question asked; I answered.

What you read in to it is not there since I made no connection between the two groups and only answered the last question asked, which was very broad.
 
What you read in to it is not there since I made no connection between the two groups and only answered the last question asked, which was very broad.
I didn't read anything into it. I went out of my way to write the final paragraph you quoted to make it very clear I was not accusing you of anything.

Responding only to the most recent post is one way topic-drift occurs.
 
That's not to say that you personally are engaging in this behavior, but given the goal-post shift from minorities to criminals, and given the prevalence of this conflation in the real world, it's worth observing.
Need I remind you that as a person on the autism spectrum, I am a minority.
 
Conflating minorities with criminals is often an effective political strategy.

given the goal-post shift from minorities to criminals, and given the prevalence of this conflation in the real world, it's worth observing.

Any more questions?

And I'm curious... you seem to be saying that I've been declaring that certain people don't have the right to exist. The only person I've said that about in this thread was a convicted mass murderer. So who do you think I don't think should exist?
 
Any more questions?
Neither one of those were questions. They both ended in periods and were bona fide statements.

[edited to add: And simply quoting two statements without comment wouldn't qualify as an answer to a question, assuming doing so was meant as an answer to a question.]

So who do you think I don't think should exist?
If you're not going to own up to your own beliefs and tell us what you think, I don't see any reason to continue with this tangent.

If you believe self-censoring yourself is for the best, perhaps it is.
 
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