Set blueprint exchange

[Redgeneral]

I put this on my Tumblr, but forgot to post it here - I am also adding the Hathaway Engineering set as it should be useful for anyone doing a fan film. Also I just love the design.

Some work in progress shots:

 

[Mytran]

Well, I was the one that added the claim, after looking at the blueprint and then examining the image. I don't know why you say there's no way.

Yeah that was a rather hyperbolic of me - having not seen the blueprints in question at the time, I was imagining a different part of the corridor which had been redressed:

I found it very hard to believe that they would have done it that way given that the walls and floors would both have had to be substantially redressed and how little they actually contribute to the scene. The glass wall & doors are also weird anachronisms that led me to think it was a piece of 20th century architecture.

Knowing where the small set actually was built however everything makes a lot more sense - the existing walls already had vertical panels instead of horizontal, there are no corridor arches and the walls themselves are already taller than the typical corridor ones (being little more than mobile backdrops in many scenes.

@Lt. Washburn is correct - It took me a while to understand, but the Starbase section was built onto the stage 8 quarter / ten forward corridor. The corridor alongside the senior quarter was used as part (with a new red carpet), and the wall with the glass door and beyond all being new construction

I've done an analysis of the blueprint and the shot - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15415366461389/16408123385193
I've overlaid the Starbase blueprint (archive page) onto the stage 8 floor plan (archive page), and then highlighted the corresponding walls between the screenshot and the plans. Also included is the probable camera position.

Now for the hypothetical - why did they do it this way?

• Originally the plan was to create a two story entrance on stage 16 (as shown on this blueprint - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15415366461389/15415373556778)
• The main costs that stick out are the two stories, the new lighting, and the four rounded walls (rounded always costs extra)
• They probably switched to the stage 8 version as it had two existing walls, part of the lighting in place already, and only one curved wall. Reducing costs and time to build.
• It is a short scene and probably did not warrant much budget - I think the large Pakled bridge took most of the allocated budget.
• Location shooting had its own costs and was probably simpler just to do this tiny corner of Starbase inhouse. Offhand I can't think of any TNG episodes with location shoots of interiors, just the exteriors.
• Alternatively more space on stage 16 was required for the Pakled bridge and the Starbase scene set had to be moved.

Thanks for the images and extrapolation, I stand happily corrected

 

[danellis]

Further Blueprints

TNG Ten Forward : http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444734874999/16405507157557
Source: https://twitter.com/DaveBlass/status/1475185264947433478

Seeing all these hand-drawn plans really brings it home how old all of these are

dJE

 

[Ottens]

Awesome! And I've never seen the ST5 shuttle design before. But that brings to mind a question I had recently, who is mostly responsible for the ST5 Galileo/Type-6 shuttle? I've seen what I think were ST5 plans that had side windows like the later Type-6 but aren't on the movie version. And those windows are reminiscent of the Type-7, which had already been designed....so was it Probert? I think Sternbach (though I could be completely wrong) was involved in conceptualizing the modifications to the Type-6. Or was it some other designer that was only working on the movie?

Probert designed the Type 7 shuttle. Sternbach designed the Type 6 for TNG, which was a redress of the shuttle they had built for Star Trek V.

Sternbach told me in 2007, "We made use of one of the Trek V shuttles by chopping a section out of the middle and giving it new engines and windows."

So not sure who the original designer was...

(Sorry, hope I'm not hijacking your thread, @Redgeneral. Keep the great stuff coming!)

 

[Mytran]

Sternbach told me in 2007, "We made use of one of the Trek V shuttles by chopping a section out of the middle and giving it new engines and windows."

I've always suspected that but it's good to hear it confirmed.
Fantastic interview!

 

[Redgeneral]

Discovery Blueprints
(Discovery Bridge Elements) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420903719794
(Discovery Medbay Elements) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420903728794
(Section 31 Bridge Cross section) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420903727348
(Section 31 elements) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420903730341
Source: http://www.matthewsmorgan.com/

DS9 Cardasssian Bridge (pilot episode)
(A) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413563673811/16420910717409
(B) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413563673811/16420910718577
(C) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413563673811/16420910719890
Source: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-deep-space-nine-original-2067902586

DS9 Cardassian Locker Area (for SFX)
(A) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413563673811/16420911525234
(B) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413563673811/16420911526730
Source: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-deep-space-nine-original-2067902586

DS9 Cargo Corridor
(A) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444639985461/16420912364355
(B) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15444639985461/16420912365844
Source: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-deep-space-nine-original-2067902586

TNG weather station - sub rosa
http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15415366461389/16420901673965
Source: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/star-trek-tng-next-generation-picard-3823962768


And now for some higher resolution image replacements

Reboot Warp core
(Cross-section) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15415159694679/16420897165688
(Chamber hatch) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15415159694679/16420897167837
Source: http://andrewreederart.com/star-trek-two

Discovery Klingon morgue door
(A) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420893385808
(B) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420893398469
(C) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420893404865
(D) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420893395831
(E) http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/16420893400646
Source: http://shelbylynnblack.com/#/stark-trek-discovery/

 

[Firebird]

Is there a higher-resolution version in the archive of that Discovery sets master stage plan on the Medbay elements drawing? I’m seeing a bunch of changes there compared to the last version I’m aware of from Season 1.

 

[Nays]

Very cool. I wish we had a higher resolution picture of the weather station print. But cool to have regardless!

 

[Redgeneral]

@Firebird We have a larger layout overview plan here - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/15500786204740
Also there is a small version that shows the layout of several separate stages - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/15468827388464

The Discovery folder in the Archive also has floorplans for some of the rooms in the layout overview

 

[Firebird]

@Firebird We have a larger layout overview plan here - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/15500786204740
Also there is a small version that shows the layout of several separate stages - http://archive.frogland.co.uk/#15413578784399/15468827388464

The Discovery folder in the Archive also has floorplans for some of the rooms in the layout overview

Those overview plans are the season 1 versions I was talking about, which don't have the changes I noted in the Medbay plans. From what I can tell, the transporter room looks different, with another room added adjacent to the pad chamber, and it also looks like they added the standing corridors and walls of the shuttlebay set as well.

EDIT: Looking closer, it also appears this new layout is from season 1 based on the date of the drawings.

 

[Ajax]

Not sure if these have been posted here before, but I think I might have found pictures of the stolen TNG captain's chair, that or it's the copy they made last minute for Generations. I've spent a lot of time looking for pics of the TNG chair for a 3d project I'm working on and stumbled across this, it defiantly matches the one from season 2 onwards, there are a few details the vegas experience chair got wrong, and I've seen a few of the knock offs also get incorrect too, this one doesn't appear to have any of these defects.

I know it's not exactly a blueprint, but I figured this was the best place to share it.

0racw

 

[137th Gebirg]

Wow - those are the original originals? I thought they were lost or in a museum.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Wow - those are the original originals? I thought they were lost or in a museum.

They were stolen.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Looks like someone found 'em.

 

[lennier1]

Looks more like Vegas equipment.

 

[Ajax]

Looks more like Vegas equipment.

The Vegas chair had some glaring inaccuracies compared to the filming chair

https://www.360cities.net/image/enterprise-bridge#0.00,0.00,70.0

 

[137th Gebirg]

The armrest and bottom cushion padding is different on the E-D chair between what's shown above and the photos in the Vegas attraction. Leather is a completely different color too. I don't think they're from there.

Wow... Seeing those photos again really pains me that I never got to see it when it was still in operation.

 

[lennier1]

The armrest and bottom cushion padding is different on the E-D chair between what's shown above and the photos in the Vegas attraction. Leather is a completely different color too. I don't think they're from there.

The Vegas chair has long since been accurized, which is why I assumed it's just that.

 

[Ajax]

The Vegas chair has long since been accurized, which is why I assumed it's just that.

I think they just redid the cushions etc for that one, the shape is still way off here in this picture

https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1240622_594346403945547_1237533097_n.jpg

Better shots here too

https://www.macobserver.com/tmo/art...nterprise-ncc-1701-d-at-mactech-photo-gallery

But if you compare that to pictures from the show, the chair looks too 'Fat' on the padding etc.

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fb/6c/66/fb6c66b2b6cbfa0c6431e5b0c9f322bc--bridges.jpg

 

[Lt. Washburn]

I came across these images several years back. I believe the TNG chair is the series chair that was stolen. I did quite a bit of research into all known replica chairs, including production-made replicas like from Generations. There are subtle details that no other chair has ever captured that this one has. And why would the best replica ever made be on the floor and dusty like this? It was stolen, has no base, and has been mostly hidden away for years, IMO.

I poked around to see if I could identify who owned the signed TOS chair replica, as that was clearly something that had been to conventions, but I could never find anything substantial. I contemplated contacting the image poster to get more details, but I thought that unless I involved someone, with the resources to perhaps arrange a purchase of the chair, the attention might instead cause the "owner" to worry about legal repercussions. I thought about informing CBS or whoever, but they either wouldn't care or would make it a legal issue. I honestly don't care at all about someone being caught or punished for stealing it. I just want it to be in safe hands that will protect, preserve, and share it for posterity.

I regrettably let the issue rest and didn't pursue anything on it.