So that was the only ship class they had from TNG to DS9? The Klingons had quite a few ship classes from the Negh Var, Vor'cha, and the Bird Of Prey ships.
Romulan Warbirds
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the next phase showed another class
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Next_Phase_(episode)
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Next_Phase_(episode)
This is why I enjoyed some aspects of "Nemesis." The Scorpion fighter is a nice expansion of the Romulan fleet.
DS9's "In the Pale Moonlight" featured a Romulan shuttle as well.
DS9's "In the Pale Moonlight" featured a Romulan shuttle as well.
Looks to be a modified version of the ship in "The Defector."
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x10/the_defector_hd_052.jpg
Actually, those three plus the D-7/K't'inga are the extent of the Klingon fleet seen until Enterprise introduced 22nd century ships. In fact, the Vor'cha wasn't even introduced until TNG's third season, at least the Romulan D'deridex Warbird was introduced in the first. Admittedly, just barely.
IIRC The Klingons were to be downplayed in TNG, we made peace on to the next bad guys
Considering how often Klingon ships show up in the first three seasons vs how often Romulan Warbirds did, it does become rather glaring that Klingons are flying on old designs. Granted, the only new Starfleet design we saw in the first three seasons other than the Galaxy class was the Ambassador class, but still.
Yup just the Warbirds. It's whatever their special FX budget can afford. The Dominion only had small Jem'hadar fighters until they moved their fleet into Cardassian space. Then the battleships finally came out.
In TOS every Federation starship we saw was a Constitution class starship. Which was fine for me since I love the look of that ship. But it doesn't make sense when Kirk says there are only 12 ships like the Enterprise in the fleet.
TNG had the benefit of using TOS movie ships like the Excelsior and Miranda class ships. DS9 had the TOS movie ships plus the First Contact ships like the Akira class and Steamrunner class.
In TOS every Federation starship we saw was a Constitution class starship. Which was fine for me since I love the look of that ship. But it doesn't make sense when Kirk says there are only 12 ships like the Enterprise in the fleet.
TNG had the benefit of using TOS movie ships like the Excelsior and Miranda class ships. DS9 had the TOS movie ships plus the First Contact ships like the Akira class and Steamrunner class.
It seems odd that the Klingons have a class of ships that are called Bird of Prey ships. I thought that the painting (etching or whatever) of an image of a bird on a star ship was a Romulan thing. Is there some kind of connection between the Klingon Bird of Prey and Romulans?
Early drafts of the script for Search For Spock have Romulans as the villains. Then a wave of drafts with the Klingons stealing a Romulan ship for some reason. Then finally we got what we got, Klingons with their own Bird of Prey class ship.
It gets worse, both Enterprise and Trek XI have the Klingons operating ships known as Warbirds.
As someone mentioned before, the only other Romulan ships seen in TNG besides the warbird was the scoutship and the science vessel made from the scoutship.
Technically, the Scorpion fighter was a Reman ship, not a Romulan ship.
Not only that, but most of the time we saw BoPs and K'T'Inga's in TNG, it was just stock footage from the films, not even real reuses of the studio models. This was one thing that I always thought made TNG look cheap.
The backstory was that the Romulans were meant to be the villains in STIII, so ILM was asked to build a Romulan ship. It was only after said Romulan ship model was built that the decision was made to make the bad guys Klingons instead. There was no time or money to build yet another Klingon ship, so they improvised: first they decided to rewrite the script so that Kruge stole the ship from the Romulans. Then they apparently decided that wasn't necessary and just made the ship Klingon, based on the fact that in TOS the Romulans used Klingon ships so there was a precedent for technology exchange.
But the original intent of the STIII BoP was that it was supposed to be a Romulan ship.
This could go either way. I rather doubt the Romulans would have allowed Remans to possess any military hardware, be it in legal or practical terms. The Scimitar may or may not have been constructed under Romulan orders in one of their secret bases - but any "stock hardware" aboard her would probably come from a stock produced to the needs of the overall Romulan military, not the rebellion started by Shinzon, if on time considerations alone. (And if we argue that this rebellion made those Scorpions Reman, then we should argue that all the Warbirds loyal to Shinzon were also Reman designs now.)
Significantly, Data has knowledge of the Scorpions, even when he has none on the Scimitar. Did he get that knowledge from hacking Shinzon's ship, or is it something Starfleet already possessed thanks to having seen Scorpions in action during the Dominion war, back when they technically must have been Romulan?
Or then referring to starships as birds is an exclusively Vulcanoid thing, and humans got all their early terminology on Romulan and Klingon vessels from Vulcans.
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Be thankful. Many of the creations from later movies, series, and games look like dreck. The TNG warbird was singularly impressive with its strange double hull alien design. Later NEM warbirds made them typical aliens of the week-like ships with Romulan coloring. The ENT control ship was a design again unlike anything Romulan, and the b-o-p though charming, were like the Akiraprise, out of century.
24th C Romulan ships we got were the warbird, scout, Vreenak's shuttle, and if you're stretching, you could maybe make something of the science vessel in TNG's "The Next Phase".
There are a handful of interesting Romulan designs in fandom but just a few, and most of them commit the cardinal sin of trying to be a mechanical-bird-with-an-impressive-beak-like-ship, when the original bop had a very specific Flash Gordon-y design aesthetic with mere bird paint job, and the warbird, the decadent technology unchained half-sculpture of a ship STILL its most defining characteristic is its WTF alien double hull.
24th C Romulan ships we got were the warbird, scout, Vreenak's shuttle, and if you're stretching, you could maybe make something of the science vessel in TNG's "The Next Phase".
There are a handful of interesting Romulan designs in fandom but just a few, and most of them commit the cardinal sin of trying to be a mechanical-bird-with-an-impressive-beak-like-ship, when the original bop had a very specific Flash Gordon-y design aesthetic with mere bird paint job, and the warbird, the decadent technology unchained half-sculpture of a ship STILL its most defining characteristic is its WTF alien double hull.
These lines make it pretty clear that the Scimitar (and presumably any support craft like the Scorpion fighters) were built exclusively by Shinzon, and not by the Romulan government. Because if the Romulans did build the Scimitar, they would not have let Shinzon come within a million miles of it, knowing it was a giant thalaron generator.
It's not like the Romulan and Klingon words would be identical.
Well, it wasn't, really. They just reused an alien ship of the week from Voyager for that ship.
Yes, I remember the design being a re-use, but it was unlike anything [specifically] Romulan.
Ditto, come to think of it, Nero's G I N O R M O U S Tim Burton-like nightmare of a mining vessel the Narada. It looked like it could eclipse multiple D'deridex Class warbirds between haunting the fever dreams of characters from Hellraiser.
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The mention in "Broken Bow" was supposedly a goof, but it actually didn't bother me. If both Klingons and Romulans have ships designated as "Bird of Prey", why not "Warbird" also?
"Klingon Warbird" actually sounds pretty catchy, I think.
That was kind of the POINT, wasn't it?
That it wasn't something that could easily be traced back to them?Similar threads
