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Rome world??

evilalienbraga

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The fact that the baddy is called 'Nero' has images of TOS style 'Rome World' settings flashing before my eyes. And it scares me up real bad. I know there's rumours that it's gonna be a Romulan thing but... toga! toga!
 
Romulus is the metaphorical Roman empire of Star Trek. Naming the villan Nero is merely stretching the point perhaps a tad too far.
 
The Romulan culture must be related to either the Romans on Earth or a parallel Earth featuring parallel Romans (like the one in "Bread and Circuses").
But "Nero" is still kinda odd. Since the Romulans don't speak latin, it must mean it has to be a reference to the actual Emperor Nero- or like someone here recently suggested, a similar-sounding name like "Neyrouh", which the humans simply take as "nero" cuz it sounds familiar.
However, the latter idea would make things even weirder.
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong - but won't introducing the Romulans pre-TOS violate continuity? Yes I know ENT did, but they had the 'clever' get-out of us never seeing them, or something.
 
evilalienbraga said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong - but won't introducing the Romulans pre-TOS violate continuity? Yes I know ENT did, but they had the 'clever' get-out of us never seeing them, or something.

Or, they'll never be in the TOS time period.

Or they'll get in and get out without being seen.

Or, in the TOS time, they'll have TNG-era ridges on their foreheads, so when the Romulans are finally seen in "Balance of Terror", no one puts two-and-two together and realizes they are the same species.

If naming the villain Nero means anything, it means he'll be an egomaniacal sex fiend with dillusions of god-like granduer (or is that Kirk?).
 
We saw an alien named 'Jerry' in 'Sphere', so what ? It makes it even more bizarre unless it's an attempt to lure the kids thinking it's 'Nemo' !
 
evilalienbraga said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong - but won't introducing the Romulans pre-TOS violate continuity? Yes I know ENT did, but they had the 'clever' get-out of us never seeing them, or something.

I always thought it would have been interesting to have T'Pol have to explain herself to Archer after he saw what a Romulan looked like...
 
evilalienbraga said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong - but won't introducing the Romulans pre-TOS violate continuity? Yes I know ENT did, but they had the 'clever' get-out of us never seeing them, or something.

is not from the TOS era, but from Older Spock's time, traveling back in time to cause trouble. To Kirk and the gang, he'd just be an alien from an unmet race...
 
evilalienbraga said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong - but won't introducing the Romulans pre-TOS violate continuity? Yes I know ENT did, but they had the 'clever' get-out of us never seeing them, or something.
Technically the Romulans were already introduced "Pre-TOS" since the Romulan War took place before TOS.

Nero wouldn't be the first Romulan with a Latin sounding name. There was Decius in "Balance of Terror".
 
And of course the Romulan homeworlds are named Romulus and Remus.

Romulus (c. 771 BC[1]—c. 717 BC) and Remus (c. 771 BC—c. 753 BC) are the traditional founders of Rome, appearing in Roman mythology as the twin[2] sons of the priestess Rhea Silvia, fathered by the god of war, Mars. According to the tradition recorded as history by Plutarch and Livy, Romulus served as the first King of Rome.

Romulus slew Remus over a dispute about which one of the two brothers had the support of the local gods to rule the new city and give it his name. After founding Rome, Romulus not only created the Roman Legions and the Roman Senate, but also added citizens to his new city by abducting the women of the neighboring Sabine tribes, which resulted in the mixture of the Sabines and Romans into one people. Romulus would become ancient Rome's greatest conqueror, adding large amounts of territory and people to the dominion of Rome.

After his death, Romulus was deified as the god Quirinus, the divine persona of the Roman people. He is now regarded as a mythological figure, and his name a back-formation from the name Rome, which may ultimately derive from a word for "river". Some scholars, notably Andrea Carandini believe in the historicity of Romulus, in part because of the 1988 discovery of the Murus Romuli on the north slope of the Palatine Hill in Rome.[3]

Romulus and Remus are among the most famous feral children in mythology and fiction.

So the homeworlds are named exactly after these mythological brothers. So a Romulan named Nero isn't a stretch at all.
 
leadprophet said:
Romulus is the metaphorical Roman empire of Star Trek. Naming the villan Nero is merely stretching the point perhaps a tad too far.

TeutonicNights said:
The Romulan culture must be related to either the Romans on Earth or a parallel Earth featuring parallel Romans (like the one in "Bread and Circuses").
But "Nero" is still kinda odd. Since the Romulans don't speak latin, it must mean it has to be a reference to the actual Emperor Nero- or like someone here recently suggested, a similar-sounding name like "Neyrouh", which the humans simply take as "nero" cuz it sounds familiar.
However, the latter idea would make things even weirder.

Maybe they will just call him T'Nero and save us the embarrassment. I mean... best of both worlds... Roman AND Vulcanish, though the other Romulan boys can joke that he has a Vulcanie girl's name. :P (Maybe being teased as a child is reason he turns out to be a villain.)

I still think it is a bad idea.
 
If we wanted to make sense of the Romulan/Roman connection it could still work out:

According to ENT, the Awakening occurred in the 4th century AD, meaning the Romulans would have left Vulcan around that time.
If the Debrune had visited Earth shortly afterwards, they would have encountered a declining Roman Empire, threatened on all fronts by Invading "Barbarians". An Empire that invited their enemies right in and being doomed because of it.

So their isolationism could be a result of their fascination with human culture and the Roman history in particular. Imperial Rome could have become a blueprint for their civilization and Roman Mythology could have influenced their own.

Not saying anyone at Paramount actually gives a crap about the Romulans making sense. But they could.
 
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