I could definitely see that happening. And shouldn't they also come across the goblins at some point too?
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Do you mean the ones in Goblin-town, or the ones who infest Khazad-dûm after it falls? Either way, they don't really come along until well into the Third Age, centuries after the kingdom was abandoned and became known as Moria. But the show could include some Orc invasion to complicate matters for the Dwarves even further.
Well, this is fascinating. I love Nerd of the Rings. When digging deeper into Tolkien's writings, it would seem that Gandalf, as Olorin, had indeed visited Middle Earth before the arrival of the Istari in the Third Age and even before his "new" adventures in the Second Age as seen in Rings of Power. In fact, the Istari as a whole had a previous mission to Middle Earth in the First Age, were they were given "special power".
One theory I heard that I thought was interesting was that he’s Gandolf and a Blue Wizard. That seems less likely now, since the Dark Wizard explicitly said there were five of them, total, and we know the Blue Wizards’ names from the books, but there is precedent for a wizard changing their theme-color, so maybe he starts off as Gandolf the Blue, and later gets “promoted” to Gandolf the Gray when he returns in the Third Age.
We only know of the Blue Wizards names from tales and even Tolkien went back on forth on their names, success or failure, and such. Not sure if much could be done with them
Oh, I was mixed up, I was thinking when they came across the remains from Balin's expedition those were the original inhabitants of Khazad-Dum.
According to an article on IGN, Tolkien had even considered having Gandalf show up in Middle Earth during the Second Age at one point, so the even he had thought about getting Gandalf involved earlier.
https://www.ign.com/articles/as-the...ists-the-lord-of-the-rings-canon-doesnt-exist
‘The Rings of Power’ Season Two Finale Explained
‘The Lord of the Rings’ showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay break down the controversies, revelations, and major deaths.
Enjoyable read, but I found this quote (and the one about Saruman, quite telling:‘The Rings of Power’ Season Two Finale Explained
‘The Lord of the Rings’ showrunners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay break down the controversies, revelations, and major deaths.www.vanityfair.com
McKay: No, we did not, not at all. We thought it was just a delightful way to show that he was sorry that he mistrusted her for so long, and he loved her, and he was going to have to leave her to her own fate. He needed to distract the room so that he could slip her a hope that maybe she could get out of there. A kiss means a different thing between elves. Thousands of years of friendship mean a different thing to elves. The idea that it’s shipping bait or we're trying to be controversial… To us it made perfect sense, but maybe that's the problem.
I think this is the divide between myself as an audience member and them as a writer. They see things differently. It's not meant to be disrespectful towards Tolkien, but they are trying to be consistent both within the world and the story they are trying to write.
McKay: Here's what's so funny. We never have any idea when the thing is going to touch the third rail.
Payne: The Orc baby.
McKay: Okay, the Orc baby, right? Which by the way is never seen, and only barely heard, and maybe isn't even there, right? It's someone holding a bundle almost like it's a baby and you hear a little cry. Twice Tolkien said, "These things must mate the way living things do," which means there must be little Orcs. Is it possible that there are Orcs who were motivated by the idea that “we have this home now in Mordor, so do we really have to go to war and die?” That's the dilemma that character is facing, the Orc with an arc—Glug. He's like, "We've won, do we really have to chase Sauron to the end of the world and all die?"
The backlash was that some fans didn’t like that you were humanizing orcs?
McKay: The idea that that would somehow feel like moral relativism, or that we're saying that Orcs are victims, which some folks said—It was shocking to us. We're like, "What…?" It felt like not a big deal. The other [controversial] thing I would say is Galadriel, and Elrond, and the smoochies. For sure.
I always found the reaction to the 'orc baby' as funny because in the Hobbit you have the orc chieftain (well Tolkien used goblin) Azog who killed Thorin's grandfather in Moria and then later was killed by Dain. With then Azog's *SON* and heir Bolg showing up to confront them.
Payne: The Orc baby.
McKay: Okay, the Orc baby, right? Which by the way is never seen, and only barely heard, and maybe isn't even there, right? It's someone holding a bundle almost like it's a baby and you hear a little cry. Twice Tolkien said, "These things must mate the way living things do," which means there must be little Orcs. Is it possible that there are Orcs who were motivated by the idea that “we have this home now in Mordor, so do we really have to go to war and die?” That's the dilemma that character is facing, the Orc with an arc—Glug. He's like, "We've won, do we really have to chase Sauron to the end of the world and all die?"
The backlash was that some fans didn’t like that you were humanizing orcs?
McKay: The idea that that would somehow feel like moral relativism, or that we're saying that Orcs are victims, which some folks said—It was shocking to us. We're like, "What…?" It felt like not a big deal. The other [controversial] thing I would say is Galadriel, and Elrond, and the smoochies. For sure.
I always found the reaction to the 'orc baby' as funny because in the Hobbit you have the orc chieftain (well Tolkien used goblin) Azog who killed Thorin's grandfather in Moria and then later was killed by Dain. With then Azog's *SON* and heir Bolg showing up to confront them.
I have no problem with them humanizing the orcs just a little bit. It may be foreshadowing for the final battle. According to Tolkien, in the final battle against Sauron there were humans, dwarves and orcs on both sides. Only the elves were completely united as a race in their desire to defeat Sauron.
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The liberties remind me of Lord of the Rings so same with regard to the adaption process.
Season 3 has no official greenlight as of yet.
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