PIC S3 Ships & Tech

[Mark_Nguyen]

That's the one. At first I thought they were giving the Norway-class some love, but it seems to be better positioned as a follow-on to the Akira. Akiras themselves are referenced as being in the Frontier Day fleet, but we don't seem to see any in these big shots. It's worth noting however that the Ross-class ships seen in this episode are still without their nacelle cowlings and with ghostly bussard collectors free-floating where they should be.

The Enterprise-F herself is visible in a shot or two, having taken some serious damage visible at around 30:30 in the episode, which is the last time we see her in any detail. I know that earlier screencaps state she was slated for early retirement, but it'd have been easy for them to instead simply show that they'd damaged her beyond the point of real repair here, and thus more easily justified slapping new decals on the Titan-A. As it stands there's no dialogue expositing why the big, buff Foxtrot is suddenly done away with.

Mark

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Mike Okuda has posted that he subtly added cup holder / warmer spots to the little side consoles of the Enterprise-D bridge reconstruction, where there was only a black glass panel before. Andrew Probert wanted to have something like this when Roddenberry directed the TNG team to make the bridge more like a living room, with stuff like a conference table in the middle where the command chairs ultimately went. We eventually got something like this on DS9, with non-Trek ships like the Liandra from the aborted Babylon 5 spinoff "Legend of the Rangers" implementing a similar concept (with questionable results).

Mark

 

[David cgc]

I feel like there was a later episode or movie that had a coaster-sized single-drink replicator built into someone's desk. That could be a function for those details, as well.

 

[Racefuel]

I feel like there was a later episode or movie that had a coaster-sized single-drink replicator built into someone's desk. That could be a function for those details, as well.

Picards desk in Nemesis had a replicator the size of a normal lined notebook paper sheet

Cancel that, no it didn't, I'm misremembering

 

[David cgc]

Picards desk in Nemesis had a replicator the size of a normal lined notebook paper sheet

Cancel that, no it didn't, I'm misremembering

Yeah, I thought that was it, too, but I had just seen the scene while flipping through the new 4K release, and he just turns around and picks up a cup of tea from the conventional replicator in the wall behind his desk. Maybe there was a similar scene in Insurrection?

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Scene from Nemesis here. Note the complete lack of VFX of any kind due to camera angles, and also the lack of anyone caring about it.

Mark

 

[Mike McDevitt]

Based on the Fleet Formation Borg attack, I think it's fair to imagine Earth's planetary shield englobes the whole planet and functions like the shield gate at Scarif, which depending on your perspective might seem more technologically advanced than you might expect from a society that recently lost Mars, the lynchpin shipyard of 150 worlds. Maybe the security field at Vashti from Picard s1 also protected the whole of that planet?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Based on the Fleet Formation Borg attack, I think it's fair to imagine Earth's planetary shield englobes the whole planet and functions like the shield gate at Scarif, which depending on your perspective might seem more technologically advanced than you might expect from a society that recently lost Mars, the lynchpin shipyard of 150 worlds. Maybe the security field at Vashti from Picard s1 also protected the whole of that planet?

My main issue is that the Planetary Shields was only that, a set of shields, zero offensive units what so ever.

Given that a set of "Planetary Satellite Shield Network" should have a few phasers mounted on each Satellite, there should be literally millions of phasers pointing outwards towards any ships firing at it.

I know it would blow up the VFX budget, but every Satellite in that Network shouldn't have been sitting there doing nothing.

Even in Picard S1, when the La Sirena was battling the old Romulan Bird of Prey, some of the Satellites fired back.

And that was a old used Planetary Shield Grid.

A High Quality Multi-Layer Shield Grid should be able to repel several fleets simultaneously for weeks on end.

 

[David cgc]

There was dialog about there being planetary defenses aside from Spacedock and the shield that were destroyed nearly immediately by the compromised fleet.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Well, we know the fleet already took out the orbital weapons platforms - we never SEE them, but they at least mentioned them in dialogue. For whatever reason, they kept whatever infrastructure that managed the shields separate from the offensive systems, probably for the best.

SHOULD the shield have been able to defend against a massed attack? Heck yeah. But I doubt anyone would have been able to forsee an assault by hundreds or more Federation starships, which are generally assumed to be the best available technologically in the local powers. Also, any defense strategy would doubtless be in concert with a strong and mobile defensive fleet, which was flipped over in the first place... So really Earth was on the back heel from the start.

Mark

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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[Mark_Nguyen]

Here's an interesting commentary on the Starfleet Museum, by the guy who RUNS the US Naval Academy Museum. Lots of great points regarding location, exhibits being shown, and who ought to be running it.

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It'd totally make sense if the museum was run by a civilian group, with Geordi leading a small Starfleet contingent for admin and oversight. That could easily explain why we didn't see anyone, and also maybe a bit of why they didn't grab anyone to crew the Enterprise.

Mark

 

[Macintosh]

Here's an interesting commentary on the Starfleet Museum, by the guy who RUNS the US Naval Academy Museum. Lots of great points regarding location, exhibits being shown, and who ought to be running it.

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It'd totally make sense if the museum was run by a civilian group, with Geordi leading a small Starfleet contingent for admin and oversight. That could easily explain why we didn't see anyone, and also maybe a bit of why they didn't grab anyone to crew the Enterprise.

Mark

 

[David cgc]

My speculation would be that Athen Prime is in a centrally-located system (deeper in the Alpha Quadrant than Earth), a hospitable planet that wasn't quite on the right spacelanes to develop into a trade-hub, and they bid on becoming the new home of the Fleet Museum in the mid-to-late 2300s as part of a planet-wide initiative towards developing themselves as a non-horny (or secondarily-horny, for visitors like Kirk and Scotty) tourism and vacation destination, counter-programming against Risa by focusing on museums and the like.

Spacedock itself is the size of a city, it could be an all-inclusive space-resort with the ships being just a small part of it, or there could be more attractions on the planet below. It'd pretty much have to be, even if the ships only have a few areas accessible on the inside (or, disappointingly, none at all), you could probably only explore two or three of the smaller ones in a day.

As for why it was so empty, a mix of budget and pandemic realities, and Frontier Day pulling all the oxygen out of the room as everyone who could go to Earth did to see the big show.

 

[Ithekro]

USS Syracuse's odd number would be fixed by placing the extra 7 in the front of the number, instead of next to the other 7 (NCC-71744). Though she's still have a lower registry number than USS Yamato, but higher than USS Challenger.

 

[Space Socialist]

Elephant in the room time, how ridiculous is it that the ‘new’ Enterprise is a design of ship which is ~150 years out of date, and also supposedly “refit” from an older starship which is a budget design (Luna class) of an even older Enterprise (Sovereign class)?

 

[137th Gebirg]

No more ridiculous than the 24th century Akira having been largely based off the 22nd century NX.

 

[blssdwlf]

Here's an interesting commentary on the Starfleet Museum, by the guy who RUNS the US Naval Academy Museum. Lots of great points regarding location, exhibits being shown, and who ought to be running it.

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It'd totally make sense if the museum was run by a civilian group, with Geordi leading a small Starfleet contingent for admin and oversight. That could easily explain why we didn't see anyone, and also maybe a bit of why they didn't grab anyone to crew the Enterprise.

Mark

It's interesting that the USNA video and a video from the curator of Battleship New Jersey point out that museum ships are not armed and can't just power on and go. So it is surprising that the lightly defended Starfleet Museum has a full stock of live torpedoes and the E-D is fueled and has working phasers and the Bounty has a working cloaking device. This would imply that all the other ships there could be brought online as well too.

 

[fireproof78]

Elephant in the room time, how ridiculous is it that the ‘new’ Enterprise is a design of ship which is ~150 years out of date, and also supposedly “refit” from an older starship which is a budget design (Luna class) of an even older Enterprise (Sovereign class)?

Not very to me.

 

[NCC-73515]

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