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OT: Christie Golden Part of Next Star Wars 9-Book Series

Was the Thrawn trilogy that good? I have the first one on my shelf. I just finished the Truce at Bakura and oh boy, it stunk.

Yes. It's incredibly awesome in every possible way.

When you read it, keep in mind it was written before the prequels, as it contradicts most of the timeline presented there. But based on just the original trilogy, it's a fantastic extension of the universe, and one of my favorite villains ever besides.
 
Have you seen what is in some of these threads???

I am not happy that they are all going to be HC. I may look for them in paperback eventually.
 
ahem, are we still allowed to be talking about star wars in a star trek forum?

Well, the thread does have "OT" in the title for "Off-Topic," and this thread was started because of Christie Golden's previous involvement in Trek Lit. So let's not get devolve this into franchise snobbery, a la "ZOMG Star Warz is not 1337 why r we talkin about it Trek is the PWN."
 
I don't think there should be any problem with one thread about Star Wars novels, one of the largest other tie-in novel franchises published right now. I would also see no problem with a similar Dr. Who thread. I've wandered off the original topic onto Star Wars novels in general as a result.

If that is a faulty assumption, mods, please say so - I don't want to violate any rules. But it seems like this discussion is related enough to Trek Lit that it justifies one thread, no?
 
Re: OT: Christine Golden Part of Next Star Wars 9-Book Series

Legacy of the Force was so mediocre-- part of it due to this rotating author approach-- that I've little inclination to pick up Fate of the Jedi. And a nine-book series all in hardcover? I think I'll pick up the first once it's in paperback, but I'm not very hopeful. Allston and Denning are usually reliable authors, but they were less than so in LotF.
The Star trek A Time to... series had a rotating author list and it was very good. Just because you have rotating authors does not necessarily make a series bad. The writing is what makes a series what it is.
 
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Re: OT: Christine Golden Part of Next Star Wars 9-Book Series

The problem was not that it had multiple authors, it was that they kept rotating around in a circle. Allston, Traviss, Denning, Allston, Traviss, Denning, etc.

Each author had large chunks of continuity that they enjoyed (most notably Traviss's Mandalorians) that the other two completely ignored, leading to a weirdly disjointed narrative. If they had each written a trilogy that progressed in order, it would've probably worked a lot better.
 
It's Christie Golden, not Christine. Could a kindly mod fix the subject line, please?

She's mentioned as Christine in the announcement, which is why I wrote that. Anyhow, I fixed it.

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Wow, I guess I'm the only one who enjoyed Legacy of the Force despite its flaws. :rommie: I'll be reading this series, despite the fact that it's all hardcovers.

I liked the series, but the last book was waaay too rushed. Revelation had a great set-up (even if it was overloaded with Boba Fett family drama) for a fantastic finale, but the last book completely focused on Jania/Jacen...which is fine, but the rest of the series had what was going on in the galaxy as in the forefront. I'm curious about this new series, but I am won't make a decision on whether to check the books out of the library until I hear what the series is actually about.
 
I've only read partway through Golden's second Voyager Relaunch novel so I can't really critique her writing.

I did want to put my two cents in about LOTF though. Mainly because my experience with LOTF will prevent me from buying Fate of the Jedi.

I liked the first five books of LOTF. I think those handled Jacen's fall pretty well and did a good job of fleshing out Ben and making him an interesting character. I didn't mind them killing off Mara, but I think that Jacen should've been a little more dominant in the fight. He barely won it. I also don't know where the name Caedus came from in-universe. I thought it would've been better for Lumiya to give him that name instead of him pulling it out of the ether.

Inferno was the turning point in the series. Though it had some great scenes-Luke v. Caedus, the burning of Kashyyk (sp), this is where Jacen's character arc took a downturn into Snidley Whiplash territory. The reason he turned in Betrayal was to prevent a future in which he kills Luke, but here he doesn't mind killing Luke at all. In the later books, he really becomes an inconsistent, deranged character that's not all that compelling or terrifying despite how much the writers tell us how dangerous and powerful he is. One of the main problems with Caedus was the writers spent too much time telling and not showing.

With Vader and Palpatine their evil was displayed by their actions. Caedus was supposed to be a great swordsman, more deadly than Vader but yet he gets handled by Luke twice, defeats Katarn (but the writers cheat and let him escape alive with a lightsaber chest wound), and several Jedi, but only kills one. In his fight with Jaina, he loses an arm in the first time and then she kills him in the second. He ended up being a joke.

Tahiri was also mishandled. In an earlier book, Jacen dismisses her as weak, but then turns around and makes her his apprentice? That didn't make sense. The reasons for her fall also were weak. She couldn't get over Anakin, but the man had been dead for over a decade by that point. I understand that sometimes people never get over loved ones, but I would've had her fall do more with her imprinted Yuuzhan Vong personality and her struggles to reconcile with it than making her look lovesick and some easily malleable.

We also didn't see much Sith training or anything beyond 'battle meditation' which I think the Jedi have too, and of course some Sith lightning.

I also think that the Solos gave up too quickly on him. Yes, in Invincible Denning did write of some reluctance on their part, but it just felt wrong to me that Luke, Leia, and Han would give up on Jacen despite all the things he had done. There should have at least been one of them willing to advocate redeeming him and not backed away from that.

The civil war was a retread of the Clone Wars, but less interesting, and largely pushed to the side. We didn't know what happened to Niathal and they put Daala in charge in a WTF decision at the end of Invincible. It just seemed careless and sloppy. Similar to Jacen's depiction. It was like they were going for a Sidious/Vader mix, instead of developing Jacen as a thoroughly interesting and chilling Sith Lord in his own right.

I also think the series erred in making it about Jacen's fall and not enough about Jaina taking on the mantle of Sword of the Jedi. She was pushed to the side in the first part of the series and then brought back to the forefront all of a sudden probably because the writers thought Ben was too young to kill Caedus. I think LOTF should've run a dual track, with Jacen and Jaina as the main characters, not Ben and Jacen.

The Mandalorians were injected into this series, at times painfully. Sometimes Traviss's books would just grind to a halt as I struggled to get past the Mandos. When Traviss spent the last 50 or 60 pages of the book on them instead of Jacen in Revelation-the big penultimate book about his reveal, you know some priorities were out of wack. Even how they handled his reveal was lame. He pretty much just told people, like Shevu as if he was looking for validation. It was pathetic.

I enjoyed the Darth Bane books, the NJO books I read, many of the Clone War novels, many of the comics, and half of the LOTF, but the series seemed to have lost its way far too quickly. Perhaps the rotating author thing was the problem, I don't know. I think they should've plotted it out better personally.
 
DarKush - I agree with you entirely. Absolutely everything you just posted.

And it was much better thought out and explained than me. Kudos.
 
Interesting -- I found the Mandalorian stuff the most interesting parts of the bits of LOTF that I did read, and missed then when they were gone (to wit, when Karen wasn't writing).
 
I got my Mandalorian culture from KOTOR, and not only did it strain credibility to have Mandolalorians survive into the modern era when the culture was going extinct four thousand years ago, but what did survive seemed like a less interesting, watered-down version of the warriors who once set the Outer Rim ablaze. What kind of self-respecting Mandalorian would actually ask someone else to become Mandalore? If a man does not have the strength, will and ambition to seize the title of Mandalore for himself, then he is not deserving of it.

Of course, to me, the one, true Mandalore will always be big, bad, grouchy Canderous Ordo.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
Interesting -- I found the Mandalorian stuff the most interesting parts of the bits of LOTF that I did read, and missed then when they were gone (to wit, when Karen wasn't writing).

I think they were fascinating, but they were so divorced from the rest of the story that it just felt awkward for them to be there.
 
I actually did like Traviss's books best of all (well, aside from Revelation)-- viewed in isolation, they were excellent novels. It was when you tried to connect them to what was going on around them that there were difficulties. Her Boba Fett is the man.
 
Re: OT: Christine Golden Part of Next Star Wars 9-Book Series

We mean that there's a Climactic Battle between someone and Caedus about 7 times. Luke even completely defeats him at the end of book 6, and just walks away because "the time isn't right".

Yeah, that didn't sit right. Luke's justification that if he'd killed Jacen there it would have driven Ben to the Dark Side had some merit, but it just felt....wrong, really.

I mean, come on, at least try to capture him and take him with you (sedated), if nothing else.
 
I think KT did a decent job in depicting the Mandos but she did a poor job integrating them into LOTF. Whenever their scenes came up it stop the flow of the novels.

Looking back at it now, perhaps if the writers had such a mad-on for the Mandos, they should've had the GA fighting them instead of a contrived civil war with the Confederation (they couldn't even come up with a different name for Corellia, et. al, to at least pretend they weren't borrowing from the Clone Wars and the CIS). If the war had been against the Mandos it would've least given them a reason to be shoehorned into LOTF.
 
Christie Golden will do fine with the series. She took on the task of cleaning up Endgame and did a fine job with it. Were there things I would have done differently? Sure. But I don't expect me to agree with authors 100% of time. I think the relaunch books are good; not great, but good. And I think her other novels, such as the Dark Matters Trilogy, were fantastic.

Any series she takes on, I expect her to do well.
 
Unfortunately, the String Theory trilogy is the only multi-book Trek series I haven't felt compelled to finish.
 
Gotta agree with the general mood in the thread that LOTF was not exactly the best think that the SW books line has ever put out. In fact, after it became obvious about thirty pages in that Invincible was written over about three days with a staggeringly small amount of forethought, I pretty much declared myself over and done with Star Wars books. Luckily, right after I finished, A Burning House was sitting on my bookshelf, and I remembered that tie-ins could not only be done well, but damn near perfectly.

Anyway, my only real question here is why Golden is suddenly playing in the Lucasian sandbox. Wasn't the reason we were given for her punting of the Voyager relaunch that she wanted to focus on original fiction? Weird. I'm sure there's probably no answer forthcoming, private matters and all that, but it seems odd.
 
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