New Short Trek: The Trouble With Edward
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Which is fine even in the scenario where nobody knows about the symbionts. "Trill" is just a humanoid with dots to the sides. (Even if in reality, "Trill" is the slug, and the interchangeable host humanoids may include close cousins to the Kriosians, and dozens of other compatible species such as humans.)
But Georgiou is one of the more special people we know, with unique personal insight into the internal organs of assorted species...
Timo Saloniemi
But Georgiou is one of the more special people we know, with unique personal insight into the internal organs of assorted species...
Timo Saloniemi
Well when you think about it the Terran Empire may have found out about joined Trills much earlier than it became general knowledge in the regular timeline.
That or with DS9 you simply have to retcon the TNG episode with a handwave along with them redesigning the look of the hosts seeming we never saw another "Trill" with nose ridges and without the spots again. DS9 clearly stated that there are joined and none joined Trills so the host is definitely the species and not the symbiont.
That or with DS9 you simply have to retcon the TNG episode with a handwave along with them redesigning the look of the hosts seeming we never saw another "Trill" with nose ridges and without the spots again. DS9 clearly stated that there are joined and none joined Trills so the host is definitely the species and not the symbiont.
Burnham did say something along the lines of the Terran empire having explored areas of the alpha quadrant Prime universe Starfleet hadn't reached yet.
My guess is that Trill symbiotes make good sushi for the emperor on the go.
Also I'm happy if 'the host' is expunged from the annals of trekdom. Beverley getting it on with Riker is an image I'd like to be declared non-canon.
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Indeed, even on those areas that both sides of the Mirror have explored already, the Terran effort no doubt goes deeper and to the point, opening up all sorts of new prospects for cutting edge research.
What places one visits is unlikely to be the relevant difference here. Respecting the Vulcan, Ardanan or Trill right to privacy, aka trying to avoid revealing their disgusting secrets to the disapproving crowds, is an issue that would be unique to the lighter side of the Mirror. In the Terran eyes, the more exposure, the better...
This is sorta the catch about the Trill: we have no way of knowing whether, say, Tom Riker was one, as the slug is on the inside.
As for who gets called Trill, well, Amanda is a Vulcan. Mr Homn may or may not be a Betazoid, as that word is not universally established to cover all the bases, from biological identity to nationality to the general adjective form. But with the Trill, we can certainly choose what to think.
Timo Saloniemi
What places one visits is unlikely to be the relevant difference here. Respecting the Vulcan, Ardanan or Trill right to privacy, aka trying to avoid revealing their disgusting secrets to the disapproving crowds, is an issue that would be unique to the lighter side of the Mirror. In the Terran eyes, the more exposure, the better...
This is sorta the catch about the Trill: we have no way of knowing whether, say, Tom Riker was one, as the slug is on the inside.
As for who gets called Trill, well, Amanda is a Vulcan. Mr Homn may or may not be a Betazoid, as that word is not universally established to cover all the bases, from biological identity to nationality to the general adjective form. But with the Trill, we can certainly choose what to think.
Timo Saloniemi
I'm probably going to eat my words, but I have a feeling that the tribbles won't be carnivorous in the episode. The "eat you alive" quote is obviously a poetic reference to the ruthlessness of the Captain's new associates or whatever. The scene with the screaming officer could just be her being buried alive or frightened and not taking it as lightly as Kirk did. The shots of them shooting tribbles could just be population control methods (as with Edward's discussion on hunting them).
The trailer makes them seem more insidious than they will ultimately turn out to be, I believe. It's possible Edward accidentally designed the ultra-fast breeding tribble (although that would kind of go against The Trouble with Tribbles dialogue), and the story is simply a mild grey goo scenario, like the original tribble adventure.
The trailer makes them seem more insidious than they will ultimately turn out to be, I believe. It's possible Edward accidentally designed the ultra-fast breeding tribble (although that would kind of go against The Trouble with Tribbles dialogue), and the story is simply a mild grey goo scenario, like the original tribble adventure.
I was thinking about it this morning, and shouldn't a "black" Trill have light spots?
I'm going to set aside the fact that it seems like it's now been established that all of the more humanoid Trek races seem to have the identical "racial diversity" to humanity. I realize part of this is due to casting and the like, and the very bad experience of "Code of Honor" means we're not going to see a Trek race played by entirely nonwhite people for a long, long time. My preference would be for races that don't align with Earth at all (like why can't black Romulans almost all have red hair as an example?) but it's not a big deal.
However, presumably in Trill the "spots" evolved as some sort of signaling device. They're barely noticeable on a dark-skinned person. Presumably due to natural selection, they'd either vanish on darker Trill, or some other analogous signaling device (like lighter spots) would evolve in their stead.
I'm going to set aside the fact that it seems like it's now been established that all of the more humanoid Trek races seem to have the identical "racial diversity" to humanity. I realize part of this is due to casting and the like, and the very bad experience of "Code of Honor" means we're not going to see a Trek race played by entirely nonwhite people for a long, long time. My preference would be for races that don't align with Earth at all (like why can't black Romulans almost all have red hair as an example?) but it's not a big deal.
However, presumably in Trill the "spots" evolved as some sort of signaling device. They're barely noticeable on a dark-skinned person. Presumably due to natural selection, they'd either vanish on darker Trill, or some other analogous signaling device (like lighter spots) would evolve in their stead.
Not necessarily? If the divide between different phenotypes of Trill happened after whatever the biological need for the spots was originally became obsolete, and the spots are not a disadvantage or are insignificant in the biological tug and pull of cost/gain there is no reason for them to simply vanish or change. Think black panthers (specifically melanistic leopard ones) which for decades have been selectively bred for aesthetic purposes and their dark coloring. While it is indeed harder to see the pattern because it's dark on dark, it's still noticeably there.
I see what you're saying, but dark skin in Trill would have to have evolved very recently in that case. I mean, the spots are likely not particularly metabolically taxing to have, but in general if something is no longer under active selection, it's very easy for the gene controlling it to "break" due to random drift. An example of this is how sense of smell has virtually been eliminated from aquatic mammals, with almost all of the scent genes non-functional. Smell has no use whatsoever in the water, so the genes for particular scents mutate over time.
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I assume that Trill spots are just odd freckles that have congregated to the sides for signaling purposes, and have been either genetically encoded or eugenically favored over many, many years. Maybe they were a sign of host compatibility or that a specific Trill was carrying a symbiont, and other Trill found ways of forcing their own spots to pretend.
Dark skinned Trill might not have naturalish spots, but have bred them in (or gene therapy/childhood tattoo/some other method) as a form of cultural assimilation. I'm not saying it's a cool thing to do, but similar odd quirks lie in our own history. And just cause this one person has dark skin, doesn't imply that her grandfather wasn't whiter than Curzon. Her dark freckles could be a sign of a multicultural heritage.
Dark skinned Trill might not have naturalish spots, but have bred them in (or gene therapy/childhood tattoo/some other method) as a form of cultural assimilation. I'm not saying it's a cool thing to do, but similar odd quirks lie in our own history. And just cause this one person has dark skin, doesn't imply that her grandfather wasn't whiter than Curzon. Her dark freckles could be a sign of a multicultural heritage.
Maybe, although an entire useless organ like a nose under water is evolutionary speaking way more unfeasible cost-wise than a few spots of melanin here and there.
And just because a creature has lost something doesn't mean there can't be vestigial remnants of it, like the vestigial useless eyes of that blind cave fish. And even that might not be as straight forward as that:
https://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/da...ow-living-things-are-related/vestigial-organs
So the spots might still be there because they are linked to some other biological function/gene that is quite useful still, and therefore aren't really going to go away, whatever their original purpose was.
And even then, we assume that they even are visual markers instead of, I don't know, vestiges of an old, defunct scent gland system.
What time do these shorts appear on the website on their respective release dates?
Wow..
I just wondered if that lady was going to be a Trill.
I didn't realize it would start a conversation about Trill Genetics!
Maybe??
I just wondered if that lady was going to be a Trill.
I didn't realize it would start a conversation about Trill Genetics!
I believe it will be 9PM EST.
Maybe??
Wow..
I just wondered if that lady was going to be a Trill.
I didn't realize it would start a conversation about Trill Genetics!
I believe it will be 9PM EST.
Maybe??
OK, then it'll be tomorrow before I watch. Thanks.
Wow..
I just wondered if that lady was going to be a Trill.
I didn't realize it would start a conversation about Trill Genetics!
It's like throwing a bone into a room full of dogs.
People on Facebook are saying it's live in the US and Canada...
I got it to run. I needed to make adblock non-functional on the CBS website, despite paying for the "premium" CBS All Access with no ads.
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