Correct me if I'm wrong--please--but isn't there dialogue in the film where the crew considers the possibility B-4 is Lore and Data says B-4 is too primitive to be Lore or did I imagine it? Lore is mentioned in the movie, right?
Nemesis Question Regarding B-4 and Lore
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^IIRC, while there is a mention of B-4 being more primitive than Data, Lore is never once mentioned in the movie.
There is such a line in the script. Not in the final film.
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good to know. I've wondered why there was no mention of Lore in a situation that obviously called for it.
General audiences, all six of them, probably had no idea who Lore was anyways. Mentioning him would just muddle up an already messy script.
DATA
Since positronic signatures have only been known to emanate from androids such as myself, it is logical to theorize that there is an android such as myself on Kolarus III.
GEORDI
How many of you did Dr. Soong make?
DATA
I thought only me, myself and Lore.
RIKER
(looking at star chart)
Diverting to the Kolarin system takes us awfully close to the Romulan Neutral Zone.
Early draft of script:
http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek-Nemesis.html
I'm sure Worf was also to ask, "Lore?" when he picked up the first android body part, but that doesn't appear in the script. Perhaps the novelization?
When I saw the first trailer for Nemesis, I thought it was Lore. The movie would have been much better with Lore.
I always thought the "me, myself and Lore" line was a bit... weird? Yeah I know its based on "my, myself and I" but it seems out of place here, especially coming from Data.
One of many poor lines in the script I suppose, at least they deleted this line at some stage. Just a shame it was the only reference to Lore, as in the final film you'd have thought none of them had ever seen another Soong-type android before.
One of many poor lines in the script I suppose, at least they deleted this line at some stage. Just a shame it was the only reference to Lore, as in the final film you'd have thought none of them had ever seen another Soong-type android before.
Actually, I think that's a better story. Have Lore ally himself with Shinzon like he did with the Borg. Spiner's awesome as Lore anyway.
They were making a movie that had to appeal to a broad audience to succeed (obviously they failed in that). Referencing minuatie from the tv series from years before was superfluous to requirements.
But in-universe, yes, you'd think someone would mention it.
How could Lore ally himself with Shinzon when as far as we know he's been disassembled? You would have to address how he got put back together first, and while Starfleet has done some pretty questionable things, putting Lore back together with inadequate precautions would already be starting the movie off on a bad note.
Another problem with the line cut from the script is that Dr. Soong actually created 5 Data-type androids in total (6 if you count Data's "Mom"), and Data knows this. If they had left it in we'd still be hearing people crying about how that ruined the movie 10 years later.
Well, the most obvious change would be that instead of Shinzon's ridiculously convoluted plan to hide B4's parts all over a planet filled with dangerous natives that could most likely kill Picard while he's on his silly jeep ride, they could just have had Shinzon raid whatever place Lore was kept, steal Lore, reactivate Lore, and then try to replace Data with Lore while the Enterprise crew was in orbit of Romulus.
yup. My thoughts were along a similar line. Much less stupid plan, and we get to see Spiner do his Lore thing again. Ah well.
I believe that was one of the original intentions, but it would have been too close to the Borg storyline and they wanted to make Shinzon's intentions seem ambiguous to the Enterprise-E crew. Lore was pretty well established, so they decide to go with an early prototype who could be manipulated.
Which was already wearing thin by the Descent two-parter.
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