H/t Trekyards for noticing that there's a quick shot of NuMurf at :34 in this trailer.
Mid-season Trailer
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Oh wow, is he turning into Flotter?
Too low res to say for certain... but I wouldn't be surprised if the animators are going somewhat in that direction.
Flotter was a kids holo entertainment character in universe for many UFP youngsters.
Will be interesting to see how Murf evolves overall and whether he/she/it starts to speak at some point.
In fairness, they actually took the piss out of the random uniforms a few episodes of LD ago.
Yeah, but it also makes little sense that SF would experiment with so many different uniform styles in such a short perior of time, does it not?
Then again, its been stated over and over that SF is not a military organisation... so its possible that after the Dominion War they changed/relaxed their measures in regards to uniform standards and allowed different styles throughout the fleet (or maybe its always been like that - its jus that we happened to follow specific crews which wore a given 'standard' at the time) - but on a given ship or given class of ships, you would be wearing the uniform used there - although this doesn't explain it because throughout TNG, DS9 and VOY, the Admiralty in SF (back on Earth) and other crews wore the SAME style as worn as our heroes we were observing... which would imply a trend that was adopted throughout Starfleet - so there's definitely inconsistency in use of uniforms going forward.
But the crew of the USS Dauntless and 'real Janeway' seem to be using uniforms that were seen in alternate timelines possible futures from TNG and DS9.
Early TNG introduced a different style of uniforms (more body fitting) from Kirk's era that was more of a standard throughout Starfleet (at least all the other captains and Admirals seemed to wear the same uniforms). This style changed after about a season or two for a different design (version 2 lets call it) as it was used for the remainder of TNG (the real world explanation was that the first iteration was less comfortable for the actors - of course, in the real world, they also used different textiles and intensity of colours throughout TNGS but they were barely noticeable changes and the overall design of the uniform was pretty much the same), and throughout VOY. DS9 also used those uniforms for years before they changed to First Contact ones at around the same time the movie came out.
Lower Decks and Prodigy now make it seem like SF has given up on a given uniform standard, and may be allowing use of a style of uniform for each ship... or maybe classess of ships.
Say the California class ships might be using one set of uniforms, while other classes and stations will be using a more familiar style (FC one).
Who knows.
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If anything, having different uniforms throughout the fleet would actually be a military thing to do. One uniform for everyone is how non-military organizations would do it. There's a reason "uniform of the day" is a military term which does not exist in the civilian world.
In correction on my post https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/prodigy-part-2-sneak-peak-video.312257/page-2#post-14291876 , Aaron Waltke actually only liked a post by "startrekprodigyfan". So I incorrectly assumed he confirmed that the "skydive" scene and Gwyn's epiphany are all from the episode with the ice planet (though this may yet be the case).
Trekculture recently did a video on the mid-season trailer and they noticed something I didn't: in the shot of Tars Lamora at 0:05-0:06, it's the Dauntless that is visiting (rather than a flashback of the Protostar leaving from there). So Janeway will somehow learn that much about the origin/history of the children, and possibly go looking for Chakotay and his crew, there.
Trekculture recently did a video on the mid-season trailer and they noticed something I didn't: in the shot of Tars Lamora at 0:05-0:06, it's the Dauntless that is visiting (rather than a flashback of the Protostar leaving from there). So Janeway will somehow learn that much about the origin/history of the children, and possibly go looking for Chakotay and his crew, there.
One would imagine that Starfleet is actually quite large and has a variety of commands so different uniforms would actually allow pretty quick visual spotting of what type of command they are in, since Starfleet is rather generalized on its divisions. See the old joke about grabbing a blue shirt for medical attention only to discover they are a botanist.
Starfleet (and the galaxy) are very big, and we’ve only seen narrow windows into its function in each series. As far as co-existing uniforms differing based on rank, position or assignment, that’s been seen in most other series — they just downplayed it by focusing on one ship, region or division.
TOS, Season 1, “Balance of Terror”
DS9, Season 1, “Emissary”
DS9, Season 4, “Homefront”
DS9, Season 6, “Tears of the Prophets”
Star Trek Voyager, Season 4, “Message in a Bottle”
Star Trek Voyager, Season 6, “Life Line”
“Star Trek: Generations”
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To return to the mid-season trailer one more time, the old illuminerdi leak ( https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2020/12/01/star-trek-prodigy-characters/ ) may offer further clues in relation to the new info:
As for the trailer itself, the sequence starting at 1:15 (explosion catapulting them into space, whereafter Gwyn remembers everything) has Murf in his old form, so it certainly predates the scene where the Dauntless confronts the Protostar (since Murf is in his "metamurfosis" there). The space suites are similar to the one in the Skydive scene, so this may indeed also be part of the first episode. At least I expect this first confrontation with the Dauntless to come up very early in the season.
From the leak: "First up is Doctor Torgo. She’s described as an eccentric alien geneticist in her 50s. She chooses to operate outside the Federation to avoid having to follow their rules. She strives to push the boundaries of scientific discovery and make the body a patient dreams of a reality, regardless of the risks."
This seems likely to be the person in the trailer at 0:53, who has info on Dal's origins. Together with the casting call description, it makes me wonder if Dal has been created or modified. It also seems like Okona knows her and brings the children into contact with her.
"Next we have Barniss Frex, a male Denobulan in his 40s. Barniss spent years alone maintaining a Federation comms relay station and as a result of Denobulans not being fans of solitude, he’s thirsty for friends. He’s a “rambling, portly fellow” who’s very welcoming, at least until his visitors become suspect."
This is the Denobulan on the station/ice planet, where Rok announces they wanna join Starfleet. Sadly, his visitors clearly will become suspect quickly enough, with the stolen uniforms and ship.
"Doctor Noum, a Tellarite in his 30s. Tellarites enjoy arguments and Noum is no different. He’s dedicated to keeping his crew healthy and though his bedside manner is brusque, his medical expertise is infallible."
The Tellarite with vice-admiral Janeway is a doctor, apparently. Will he get the chance to examine Dal or Gwyn, two exotics from his POV? Or to confront his fellow Tellarite Jankom?
"Our last character is Vezria. I’m honestly not sure what to make of her. The standard part of her description states that she’s in her 30s and hunting for the missing ship by pretending to be an Ensign in Starfleet. She’s very intelligent and is skilled at manipulating people. She’s determined to get revenge for her people and destroy the Federation.
That’s all fairly straight forward, right? Here’s what tripped me up. In order to pose as an Ensign, she’s “disguising her true Vau N’Akat form”
This is the hidden Vau N'akat ensign. I think she is likely the Trill ensign on the Dauntless, since this is the only ensign who seems to be getting some focus (and I expect a hidden Vau N'akat would first be introduced while still disguised and unknown to characters and audience alike). While she may also be an anonymous ensign on the Dauntless or elsewhere in Starfleet (with Jellico, say), I doubt this is the case, especially for an old leak that may predate the casting of S2 characters. If Vezria is supposed to go in action during S1, she is almost certainly disguised (in classic ST fashion without being detected by doctors and medical equipment) as the Trill ensign Asencia, by my guess.
If she is already in Vice-admiral Janeway's inner circle, we have a formidable adversary as the description makes her sound like a more experienced, hidden (and less scrupled) Gwyn. If she is Ascencia, I wonder how she will react once she realises there is a Vau N'akat onboard the Protostar.
This seems likely to be the person in the trailer at 0:53, who has info on Dal's origins. Together with the casting call description, it makes me wonder if Dal has been created or modified. It also seems like Okona knows her and brings the children into contact with her.
"Next we have Barniss Frex, a male Denobulan in his 40s. Barniss spent years alone maintaining a Federation comms relay station and as a result of Denobulans not being fans of solitude, he’s thirsty for friends. He’s a “rambling, portly fellow” who’s very welcoming, at least until his visitors become suspect."
This is the Denobulan on the station/ice planet, where Rok announces they wanna join Starfleet. Sadly, his visitors clearly will become suspect quickly enough, with the stolen uniforms and ship.
"Doctor Noum, a Tellarite in his 30s. Tellarites enjoy arguments and Noum is no different. He’s dedicated to keeping his crew healthy and though his bedside manner is brusque, his medical expertise is infallible."
The Tellarite with vice-admiral Janeway is a doctor, apparently. Will he get the chance to examine Dal or Gwyn, two exotics from his POV? Or to confront his fellow Tellarite Jankom?
"Our last character is Vezria. I’m honestly not sure what to make of her. The standard part of her description states that she’s in her 30s and hunting for the missing ship by pretending to be an Ensign in Starfleet. She’s very intelligent and is skilled at manipulating people. She’s determined to get revenge for her people and destroy the Federation.
That’s all fairly straight forward, right? Here’s what tripped me up. In order to pose as an Ensign, she’s “disguising her true Vau N’Akat form”
This is the hidden Vau N'akat ensign. I think she is likely the Trill ensign on the Dauntless, since this is the only ensign who seems to be getting some focus (and I expect a hidden Vau N'akat would first be introduced while still disguised and unknown to characters and audience alike). While she may also be an anonymous ensign on the Dauntless or elsewhere in Starfleet (with Jellico, say), I doubt this is the case, especially for an old leak that may predate the casting of S2 characters. If Vezria is supposed to go in action during S1, she is almost certainly disguised (in classic ST fashion without being detected by doctors and medical equipment) as the Trill ensign Asencia, by my guess.
If she is already in Vice-admiral Janeway's inner circle, we have a formidable adversary as the description makes her sound like a more experienced, hidden (and less scrupled) Gwyn. If she is Ascencia, I wonder how she will react once she realises there is a Vau N'akat onboard the Protostar.
As for the trailer itself, the sequence starting at 1:15 (explosion catapulting them into space, whereafter Gwyn remembers everything) has Murf in his old form, so it certainly predates the scene where the Dauntless confronts the Protostar (since Murf is in his "metamurfosis" there). The space suites are similar to the one in the Skydive scene, so this may indeed also be part of the first episode. At least I expect this first confrontation with the Dauntless to come up very early in the season.
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These Voyager episodes don't actually help your argument at all since these are situations where someone from a ship stuck with outdated uniforms is visiting Starfleet that has updated their uniforms.Star Trek Voyager, Season 4, “Message in a Bottle”
Star Trek Voyager, Season 6, “Life Line”
And yet they don’t replicate new uniforms in the several years after making contact — perhaps because it is the uniform of their ship assignment. And the rest of the examples still stand.
In fairness, the Doctor would have likely mentioned the updated uniforms upon his return from the Prometheus, but the VOY crew probably didn't see the need in updating their uniforms even after establishing monthly contact via Pathfinder since they already wore existing ones (which were just as good).
However, if you recall, Tom Paris was seen wearing the updated FC unifrm on Lower Decks.
Although, it would have been interesting to have Janeway analyse the new uniforms from what the EMH mentioned and from the recovered SF transmission they recieved from the Hirogen comms network and then 'surprise' the crew with newer uniforms to 'bring them up to speed' and feel closer to home.
Alas, Tom Paris was seen wearing an updated FC uniform in Lower Decks.
Janeway as an admiral also wore the updated uniform in ST: Nemesis movie... so there's that.
My guess is that the crew didn't see the need to change their uniforms while in the DQ, especially amid power conservation. The replicator situation may have eased up by the time the EMH was first transmitted to the AQ, but the crew was still likely saving energy whenever they could and SF didn't mind to allow them to continue wearing their existing uniforms while the ship was so far away.
And let's not forget that in TOS the Pilot Era turtleneck/ribbed shirts were still being seen well after the new black collar uniforms were made official in "The Corbomite Maneuver." The Antares crew were still using them in late 2266, nearly a year after the Enterprise crew had last worn them.
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