Lost 6x09: "Ab Aeterno"

[WeAreTheBorg]

So as far as the cross goes, did Richard drop the necklace at the doctor's house in the Canary Islands?

Yes he did, he dropped it and never picked it back up.

No, he was wearing it in the prison cell

 

[doubleohfive]

With regard to the tidal wave, another thing to consider: If, as exodus suggests, the tidal wave really WAS that big, and it really did hoist the Black Rock on to the island and destroy the statue, it is only logical to also presume that Jacob (assuming he was home in his little beach condo under the statue) would have been killed by that tidal wave.

Additionally, if the electromagnetism of the island can bring down Oceanic 815, a modern airliner full of metal parts and thousands of feet in the air, I don't think it's unreasonable to postulate that a 19th century sailing ship could be pulled toward the island in a similar fashion.

But, exodus does make a good point -- was the electromagnetism out of whack before Dharma found it? Or was it just as strong then as it was on the day Oceanic crashed?

 

[LitmusDragon]

No, he was wearing it in the prison cell

I'd have to go back through the screenshots to confirm but I'm pretty sure they showed a shot of Richard's hands just before he ran out of the doctor's room on the canary islands and all that he was holding was the medicine. Then, he ran out immediately afterwards.

edit:
OMG, you're right, he's definitely wearing it in the cell. link

However later on in the hold, he doesn't seem to be wearing it, though admittedly it's hard to tell. link

Then there's this shot, where he's wearing it, but I'm not sure what scene this is. It's not the same clothes he's wearing later on in the hold.

 

[exodus]

With regard to the tidal wave, another thing to consider: If, as exodus suggests, the tidal wave really WAS that big, and it really did hoist the Black Rock on to the island and destroy the statue, it is only logical to also presume that Jacob (assuming he was home in his little beach condo under the statue) would have been killed by that tidal wave.

Not if he went inland to the temple.

Mysteries abound!!!!

Another question is, how could Dogan keep Smokey out of the temple if Smokey already lives underneath it?

 

[doubleohfive]

I thought Smokey's temple is different from the one the Others resided in?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I thought Smokey's temple is different from the one the Others resided in?

Nah, it was just the outer wall. The Losties were exploring it when they got kidnapped and brought inside.

 

[Mr Awe]

Additionally, if the electromagnetism of the island can bring down Oceanic 815, a modern airliner full of metal parts and thousands of feet in the air, I don't think it's unreasonable to postulate that a 19th century sailing ship could be pulled toward the island in a similar fashion.

There may not have been enough metal in a *wooden* sailing ship for the magnetism to have an effect. Personally, I don't care either way but when watching it I assumed it was just a storm/tidal wave because of its wooden nature.

However, Jacob says he brought the ship there so clearly it's not as simple as just a storm.

Mr Awe

 

[doubleohfive]

^
I don't disagree that there's probably not a whole lot of metal on the Black Rock, however look at how the electromagnetism started yanking any and every bit of metal it could during 'The Incident.' Even the key to the case the guns were in during season 2 when Jack was wandering around the hatch ... that's pretty powerful magnetism there, which is why I'd think it could have had a hand in bringing the Black Rock so far ashore and inland.

 

[Dream]

Whoa, Ad Aeterno is already the highest rated LOST episode on TV.com right besides Through the Looking Glass parts 1 and 2. I guess this episode delivered.

 

[coolghoul]

You could have guessed it from the amount of discussion it has generated on trekbbs alone!!

I don't think I have seen so many different actively working threads (besides the discussion and grading thread) this season.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

i just realized the actor (Titus Welliver) who plays War on Supernatural also plays the Smoke Monster on Lost as while Mark Pallegrino is Jacob on Lost and Satan on Supernatural.

 

[Hober Mallow]

...while Mark Pallegrino is Jacob on Lost and Satan on Supernatural.

Talk about your acting range!

A couple things bothered me about the episode. When the Black Rock arrives at the island, there's a storm of Biblical propotions happening outside. But at the beginning of "The Incident" we see the ship arriving in calm waters and clear skies.

The other thing that needs to be answered is why Flocke needed Richard to find Jacob when it's clear from this episode (and seemed pretty clear from the beginning of "The Incident") that MIB knew exactly where Jacob lived.

 

[label]

When the Black Rock arrives at the island, there's a storm of Biblical propotions happening outside. But at the beginning of "The Incident" we see the ship arriving in calm waters and clear skies.

The writers have said that after that shot where the ship arrived in the calm waters that a big storm kicked up and drove the ship inland.

While they did go on record as saying that, it seems like they hadn't planned out this episode (6x09) when they filmed that scene with the calm waters.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Although maybe not of that magnitude, we would see strong storms come and go very quickly on the island, usually when something bad was going to happen.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

When the Black Rock arrives at the island, there's a storm of Biblical propotions happening outside. But at the beginning of "The Incident" we see the ship arriving in calm waters and clear skies.

The writers have said that after that shot where the ship arrived in the calm waters that a big storm kicked up and drove the ship inland.

While they did go on record as saying that, it seems like they hadn't planned out this episode (6x09) when they filmed that scene with the calm waters.

They also said Jacob could possibly eventually turn into a 30 ft man made of fire

 

[exodus]

^
I don't disagree that there's probably not a whole lot of metal on the Black Rock, however look at how the electromagnetism started yanking any and every bit of metal it could during 'The Incident.' Even the key to the case the guns were in during season 2 when Jack was wandering around the hatch

Which was still after the pocket had be drilled into.


However, after all that time jumping, I can see how keeping track of the timeline now can be confusing.

 

[EyalM]

The other thing that needs to be answered is why Flocke needed Richard to find Jacob when it's clear from this episode (and seemed pretty clear from the beginning of "The Incident") that MIB knew exactly where Jacob lived.

Flock was still pretending to be Lock, and since Lock would have no idea where Jacob was, he asked Richard so he can keep up apperances.

When the Black Rock arrives at the island, there's a storm of Biblical propotions happening outside. But at the beginning of "The Incident" we see the ship arriving in calm waters and clear skies.

The writers have said that after that shot where the ship arrived in the calm waters that a big storm kicked up and drove the ship inland.

While they did go on record as saying that, it seems like they hadn't planned out this episode (6x09) when they filmed that scene with the calm waters.

We can also just assume that the ship in "The Incident" is another ship. Jacob said he brought people to the island before and at the time, ships were probably the only route.

 

[doubleohfive]

^
I don't disagree that there's probably not a whole lot of metal on the Black Rock, however look at how the electromagnetism started yanking any and every bit of metal it could during 'The Incident.' Even the key to the case the guns were in during season 2 when Jack was wandering around the hatch

Which was still after the pocket had be drilled into.


However, after all that time jumping, I can see how keeping track of the timeline now can be confusing.

I'm not confused, despite how confusing the time jumping may or may not have been. The island's electromagnetism has always been particularly strong (again I cite Jack and the key around his neck when Jack first stumbled in to the Hatch at the beginning of season 2) ... who is to say the electromagnetism wasn't stronger in 1867?

Further, the donkey wheel had to have been built by someone and the pocket of electromagnetism had to have been blocked off in that hidden chamber by someone. Is it possible that someone was Jacob? Richard? The Man in Black? Somebody else?

Either way, again -- I'm not saying my theory IS what happened, I just like the idea of the ambiguity behind this. Saying it was the tidal wave strikes me as too mundane for this show. Then again, maybe that's precisely the point. I don't know.

 

[Scout101]

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I don't disagree that there's probably not a whole lot of metal on the Black Rock, however look at how the electromagnetism started yanking any and every bit of metal it could during 'The Incident.' Even the key to the case the guns were in during season 2 when Jack was wandering around the hatch ... that's pretty powerful magnetism there, which is why I'd think it could have had a hand in bringing the Black Rock so far ashore and inland.

Problem is, there can't be that much metal onboard that's permanently mounted to the ship. Guns, chains, cannons, swords, etc would all be affected, but they'd be pulled free of the ship LONG before it would change the course of the ship much at all. Shouldn't even be many nails holding it together, as wooden pegs were used much more frequently for that (won't rust out, they swell to tighten and hold, etc). Magnets don't work great on wood. Put metal on top of the wood, apply magnets, you just get the metal...

 

[doubleohfive]

When the Black Rock arrives at the island, there's a storm of Biblical propotions happening outside. But at the beginning of "The Incident" we see the ship arriving in calm waters and clear skies.

The writers have said that after that shot where the ship arrived in the calm waters that a big storm kicked up and drove the ship inland.

While they did go on record as saying that, it seems like they hadn't planned out this episode (6x09) when they filmed that scene with the calm waters.

We can also just assume that the ship in "The Incident" is another ship. Jacob said he brought people to the island before and at the time, ships were probably the only route.

Or, the ship at the beginning of "The Incident" could have been the Black Rock and could, theoretically have still been far enough away to still get caught in a storm that same night.