Lost 4x11: "Cabin Fever"
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What's more than that if your like me and believe she's already dead is that if Charlie doesn't turn off that jamming signal, Claire would still be alive. So, not only did he not save her, he helped kill her.
Assuming Claire is actually dead as she certainly appears to be, they really need to follow up on Desmond's vision and explain that.
She has a band-aid... I don't think dead people need band-aids. 
She has a band-aid... I don't think dead people need band-aids.
Who knows what dead people need? Or what the smoke monster/island want us (or rather: Sawyer, Miles, Locke, Ben, Hurley) to believe?
As for Desmond's visions and her "maybe" death, well, we already know that the visions can change/be altered. So maybe things have changed again since Des had the vision about Charlie pushing the buttons and Claire getting on a helicopter. Maybe Desmond or Sayid getting on the 'copter and going to the boat changed things so Claire gets killed rather then rescued?
^ The only way that Desmond is supposed to be able to change the future is by having one of his flashes, and he hasn't had one since the one with Charlie drowning and Claire and Aaron getting on a helicopter and leaving the Island. Charlie fulfilled his part of the flash, so why aren't Claire and Aaron? Before, I could fanwank that he saw Aaron on a woman's lap, sitting in a heli, and just assumed the woman was Claire, when actually it was Kate or Sun. I suppose they could still do that but with Sayid taking that dingy back as a means of ferrying people to the boat, it looks unlikely.
I also suppose that the vision Des had was a false flash sent by whoever, or that they'll have Claire leave the Island with Aaron on a heli at a later date, say the series finale. But really, it just looks like the writers dropped the ball on this one.
I also suppose that the vision Des had was a false flash sent by whoever, or that they'll have Claire leave the Island with Aaron on a heli at a later date, say the series finale. But really, it just looks like the writers dropped the ball on this one.
That has never been said or shown on the show.
The only way Desmond knows he's changed the future is that he's had a vision first, but he doesn't need a vision to change things.
Everyone is always changing the future with every choice they make. Desmond is just able to sometimes see the future and make his choices based on that.
I think this may well come down to a distinct difference in how we see the universe, but...
Future A is about to occur.
XYZ has vision 1 of future A.
XYZ changes events of vision 1 so future A doesn't occur, future B occurs instead. (Charlie and the arrow trap)
OR
XYZ helps fulfill events of vision 1, future A still occurs. (Charlie drowning, with Claire and Aaron on the heli)
At least, that's how it should work. Without the visions to show him what will happen when he and others makes certain choices, he has no reason not to make the choices leading to future A.
Hadn't thought of that. But then, when would this person have changed the future? And who would they be?
Hmmm... Not sure.
It might have been Locke, maybe by either killing Naomi at the end of last season (throwing the knife in her back), or by splitting the Losties up (and getting Claire to follow him, rather then Jack) or by not handing Ben over to the freighter people (maybe if he had done that they wouldn't have been so hostile?)
Or it might have been Ben somehow.
Or maybe it was something Jack did that got Claire killed and that is why the "island" punished him by making him sick?
This whole conversation of course brings up a major weakness in these type of stories. Any inconsistency that now shows up in the writing can be explained away by "time travel" or "changes in the space/time continuum.
meaning we'll never know if it was on purpose or just sloppy writing.
You know, I might actually be able to buy this one. Like Locke said, the Walt who talked to him at the Dharma grave was "taller"/older, indicating that he might have appeared from the future, to change things. If Walt hadn't appeared, maybe Claire and Aaron WOULD have gotten on that heli. The boaties might have been more likely to help the Losties if Locke hadn't killed Naomi.
True, unfortunately.
It depends on what you (they) mean by alternate reality.
The fact that Charlie was supposed to be hit by lightning and Desmond prevented it already deals with two realities. Reality A (or Future A) is when Charlie is hit by lighting. Reality B (of Future B) when Desmond save Charlie from the lightning.
So the writers can say that there is no "alternate reality" on the show, but the very fact that Desmond can see "alternate" futures and change them means that there are alternate realities, at least in the strictest sense.
The fact that Charlie was supposed to be hit by lightning and Desmond prevented it already deals with two realities. Reality A (or Future A) is when Charlie is hit by lighting. Reality B (of Future B) when Desmond save Charlie from the lightning.
So the writers can say that there is no "alternate reality" on the show, but the very fact that Desmond can see "alternate" futures and change them means that there are alternate realities, at least in the strictest sense.
I dont think Claire is dead, I think she is at peace because her dad has shown her there is life after death, and now she knows that Charlie isnt gone forever, and she will see him again.
Christian might also have shown her how important Aaron is to the future.
I like the idea that there is a chosen one prophessy of someone who would be born prematurly by a woman of a certain name, and they dont know wether it was Locke or Ben.
Christian might also have shown her how important Aaron is to the future.
I like the idea that there is a chosen one prophessy of someone who would be born prematurly by a woman of a certain name, and they dont know wether it was Locke or Ben.
If that's true, why did he have her leave Aaron behind? This really bugs me and I hope it's explained in the finale.
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