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Seems more like Tim Benzedrino. "Toke a lid, smoke a lid, pop the mescalino! ... Hop a hill! Pop a pill! For old Tim Benzedrino!"
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We should probably ask Neroon, Spaceman Spiff, or Timby to formalize it with the "Spoiler" badge in the thread name.
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I for one enjoyed the 1st episodes. Some of the complaints I have heard are silly, some valid and of course, some just racist.
I liked all of the characters so far. I think this is the best Galadriel we have ever seen. I loved the 'Hobbits' and I thought the Dwarven family was awesome. I love how everyone talks. Nori and Poppy were great together, and Nori was wonderful throughout.
Looking forward to the next episode.
I'll repost my comment from the closed thread:
I dislike this Galadriel but it's ok to have characters that can be redeemed. I assume she'll learn some valuable lessons over the course of the show that turn her from an obnoxious, vengeful shrew into the graceful, powerful Elven sorceress of the Peter Jackson movies. The Silmarillion version of Finrod is reincarnated via the Halls of Mandos in Valinor, but I doubt Galadriel could discover this until she returned to Valinor at the end of the Third Age.
I dislike this Galadriel but it's ok to have characters that can be redeemed. I assume she'll learn some valuable lessons over the course of the show that turn her from an obnoxious, vengeful shrew into the graceful, powerful Elven sorceress of the Peter Jackson movies. The Silmarillion version of Finrod is reincarnated via the Halls of Mandos in Valinor, but I doubt Galadriel could discover this until she returned to Valinor at the end of the Third Age.
I'm not sure I understand what Galadriel has done that she needs to be redeemed for?
She refused the call, if I followed correctly.
Only Elrond seems to have any time for her. If she can come up with some valid evidence rather than behaving like an excessively zealous and paranoid harridan, she might get listened to. I think pairing up with Celeborn and having a daughter might temper her intolerance of people who dare to disagree with her.
Harridan is a bit much, about one step away from b-. Her family has a long history of excess enthusiasm for violence when thwarted. Not like she's acting any way her relatives haven't. She's got the mess that ends the second age coming up to teach her a few lessons in alternatives to straight up aggression while she's on her way to form her own realm which was one of her goals all along after she got to Middle Earth.
Depends on the way you look at it - Tolkien himself wrote them as Sue's. Like it or not but ME Elves are really superior to most other races as they were the first race to be around and live extremely long, so they can pick up a gazillion skills and master them and on top of that they have some physical advantages that others don't, especially in the agility department.
It's just that depicting this onscreen tends to be a very fine line - i really liked the horse jump scene mentioned earlier or when they are trying to cross the mountains and everyone sinks in hip deep into the snow but he just walks on it ( that one was a bit subtle but i really liked it). That shield surfing scene or with the Mumakil though was over the top but that's just my opinion.
Glorfindel can take on a Balrog, Legolas can take out a Mumakil. Tolkien's Elves are one step away from supersaiyan depending on how old they are.
IMHO it's a huge, huge misfire to have Galadriel one of the central characters of the series - really to focus on elves at all.
Elves in Tolkien are not D&D elves. They are immortal - not just ageless, they resurrect immediately after they die. They are more demigods than people, and Tolkien actually wrote as such in some of his letters - that elves should be written about as mythology/legend, but when you wrote stories in middle Earth, they had to focus on mortals.
You can see the flaws here in terms of how they are treating Galadriel. They want to show a younger, more flawed version of her. But she's already existed for thousands of years - there really should be no analogue to a young adult.
Elves in Tolkien are not D&D elves. They are immortal - not just ageless, they resurrect immediately after they die. They are more demigods than people, and Tolkien actually wrote as such in some of his letters - that elves should be written about as mythology/legend, but when you wrote stories in middle Earth, they had to focus on mortals.
You can see the flaws here in terms of how they are treating Galadriel. They want to show a younger, more flawed version of her. But she's already existed for thousands of years - there really should be no analogue to a young adult.
Galadriel has reason to upset. She seems to be the only one to believe the evil of Sauron is still out there, waiting. And of course, she will be proven correct.
The flaws are fine. Tolkien's Elves were flawed by pride, ambition, and prejudice against pretty much everyone who wasn't immortal like them. They were assholes, every bit as much as the humans and dwarves if not worse since they had all the dope from the Valar on god's purpose. However, rather than that developing sympathy for mortal races it produced at best benign neglect. Honestly, Galadriel's speech at the start of LotR about Men's desire for power is hilariously ironic after the business with the Silmarils.
Same.
Of all the Elves, Galadriel is the only one who stayed on mission.* (* - And Arondir went above and beyond.)
Gil-galad is so far being portrayed as a bully and a fool. He's claimed that Galadriel is vulnerable to evil, when in fact, besides Galadriel and Arondir, all the Elves we have seen have erred in their arrogance and have failed to remain diligent against evil. That goes for Elrond, also.
Galadriel simply chose instead to be steadfast and true. The only error that she made that I can see is that she tried to push her weary subordinates on through the northern wastelands of Forodwaith past the point that they were able to go. That's not a flaw in need of redemption, but rather a failing of judgment in command from which she could learn wisdom.
She found hard evidence at the fortress in Forodwaith that Morgoth's followers had passed that way, which is therefore hard evidence that their trail was lost and hard evidence that Gil-galad's proclamation of the evil being completely wiped out was premature. Her subordinates were too weary to continue, and Gil-galad was too arrogant to realize that further searching by select forces was indicated.
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A harridan is a "strict, bossy, or belligerent old woman", according to the dictionary. This Galadriel is all of those. She needs taking down a peg or twelve. Perhaps when she creates her mirror, she'll discover that Finrod is alive in Valinor and that she could have been reunited with him, her parents Finarfin and Eärwen, and Finrod's betroathed Amarië if she hadn't jumped overboard hundreds of years earlier. Her real reason for jumping ship should be that she wanted to have her own realm in Middle-earth but this series gives her different motivations from the Galadriel in the book and that Galadriel never took that voyage anyway. Becoming a powerful sorceress isn't indicated at all yet. I expect she has yet to meet the people who will form that ambition within her.
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