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Jason Bourne - Review & Discussion (Spoilers)

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Hugo Rune

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For the umpteenth summer in a row, the "big" US film season has been awash in sequels, remakes and Connected Universe films.

Apart from Civil War it has mostly been a bust for me with most films either just hitting a passing grade, or outright failing.

So it was with some trepidation that I went to see Jason Bourne tonight.

The Bourne Trilogy (love you Renner, but your film doesn't count) is my favourite action franchise of the new millennium. I appreciate that its style, specifically Paul Greengrass' penchant for hand-held camera action scenes, is not for everyone. But Jason's arc, coupled with the emotional themes running through the trilogy, truly engaged me. The trio of films sit up there with Aliens, Empire, LOTR and a slew of other films that, if I come across them flicking through the channels on TV, no matter what point the film is at, I'll settle down and watch it to the end.

The series (like any franchise) has its formula, but what set it apart was the emotional undercurrent and intelligent (for BIG FILM) take on the genre.

The formula is here for Jason Bourne too:

The brutal, wince-inducing hand-to-hand fight
The car chase
The hunt for Bourne in a crowded arena
The dastardly government villain

What is missing is the emotional connection. Through some retconning and rather tortuous plot twists, Bourne is dragged back into the mix. The film thinks it has a strong emotional reason for Bourne to come back into play, but the means in which it is deployed feels forced and convenient. With this initial mis-step, the rest of what comes lacks a real centre and believable emotional core for the swirling mass of carnage, intrigue and backstabbing to take place. Which is a shame, because most of the formula works well.

What is really fascinating is how little Bourne says in this film. He has always been a man of action, purpose and taciturnity. But there are lovely quiet little moments where he is allowed to be and what makes the trilogy so good for me. Here, he has a drive, and it all plays across Damon's face. He, as always, does well with what he is given, but with the lack of dialogue, I was wondering if I was watching a Terminator film at times.

The surrounding cast do well, especially Vikander as the CIA cyber-specialist whose ego, counterpointing her political naivete, gets the better of her a few times. Vincent Cassell gives weight to the "on the ground" nemesis, whilst Tommy Lee Jones takes up the mantle left by David Strathain and Brian Cox from the earlier films. Jones would give a remarkable performance reading the contents of your shampoo bottle, and he brings a calm sense of menace to his CIA boss.

The action is pure Greengrass and is remarkably edited by Co-writer Chris Rouse. You either like it, or you don't. He certainly won't convert anyone with Jason Bourne. The staging, use of space and crowds in the early Greece riots sequence is remarkable, nearly on par with the Waterloo scenes from Ultimatum, but I can hear the rants of the "shakey-cam" arguments being spooled up already. And, whilst not as cathartic as the sequence from Supremacy, the car chase is big, bombastic and eye-widening.

There is a thread of "torn from the news" about the plot, which I won't delve into, but it feels like a natural progression from the Treadstone project and how security agencies have shifted their focus on "defending" the public and attacking the enemy. It could have been dug into deeper and given the piece a sense of depth and grounding, but the focus here is dragging Bourne back into the fray and, for me, this is the films main faltering idea.

It was certainly more entertaining than the vast majority of the big Spring/Summer releases, and a palate cleanser after Legacy's generic dullness, but it is certainly the weakest of Damon's Bourne outings, by a decent margin.

Bourne Identity - 8/10
Bourne Supremacy - 9/10
Bourne Ultimatum - 8/10
Jason Bourne - 6/10

Hugo
- Legacy? Put three bullets in its back and dumped it over the side of the boat.
 
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My problem with the movie is the title. Bourne Returns, works great, Bourne Again would have been fantastic after that Legacy mess. I don't remember how long the movie is, or what it really is about but I remember watching it and i felt like it was a long mini-series. It just wouldn't end!

But thanks for reminding me this movie comes out soon.
 
I sort of accidentally saw some spoilers ("sort of" because I wasn't really trying to avoid them), and it sounds pretty bad. As in, "not even a rental; just watch the core trilogy again someday" bad.
 
It's certainly not as bad as some critics have labelled it. It's brilliantly made, acted and tries to have some real world relevance, but it was never needed and I think this alone irked some of its critics.

Bourne Redundancy? Sure.
Bourne Bad? I don't think so.

Hugo - puns over with
 
I love the Bourne trilogy. I'm going to see Jason Bourne this weekend and trying to leave elevated expectations at home.
 
It's certainly not as bad as some critics have labelled it. It's brilliantly made, acted and tries to have some real world relevance, but it was never needed and I think this alone irked some of its critics.

Bourne Redundancy? Sure.
Bourne Bad? I don't think so.

Hugo - puns over with

True on whether it was needed but I just got back from seeing it and my friends and I enjoyed it.

I didn't think the "Shakey-Cam" was in as much evidence as one of the previous films - but some people might mention lens-flare early on in the film;)
 
Just gets a giant "meh" from me. Better than Legacy, not as good as the others. Don't have anything else to say about it.
 
I just got back from seeing it.

The positives: it has pretty much all the expected elements.

The negatives: it has pretty much all the expected elements.

It's generally competent, but doesn't bring much new to the table except a bit more backstory. I think they should have gone for something different rather than just more of the same. If it wasn't a Bourne story it would be a collection of slick action pieces strung together by too little new materiel. Indeed it is exactly that only made tolerable because we like the character of Jason Bourne.

The final big action piece is too long and overdone. Some restraint would have been appreciated.

The original trilogy is all you really need. This instalment is just a slickly made addendum.
 
After watching a marathon of the whole series yesterday (including The Bourne Legacy), I was left wondering if certain elements would show up in Jason Bourne. Most predominantly, the role of smart devices (they were still on flip phones in The Bourne Ultimatum), social media and privacy would play in the story. And sure enough, they all feature heavily. Unfortunately, the arching storyline of privacy in the modern digital world often felt tangential to the main Jason Bourne story.

Which leads to my other expectations: How the backstory of Jason Bourne/David Webb's life is revealed. One of my favorite things about the series is the continuous peeling of the onion of his life. His last mission. His first mission. His training. And now why he joined. The revelation that his father created Treadstone wasn't very surprising, nor was his assassination acting as a driving force for David Webb, although I did like the slight twist that Richard Webb didn't want David to be part of Treadstone and attempted to leak the program.

There were two other things I had hoped to see explored in this film, but unfortunately weren't: 1) The nature of whatever past relationship Jason and Nicky may have had prior to The Bourne Identity, as hinted at in The Bourne Ultimatum and 2) Whether Jason's particular empathy towards children as seen in The Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy has any prior relevance or was he simply empathetic towards general because of his one bit of remaining humanity? Perhaps the latter can be explored in a future sequel we may or may not get.

Speaking of Nicky, I should have seen her death coming a mile away considering the only times we see her in the trailers were in Athens. I'm sorry to see her to die, but I understand the need for it to happen, in order to make room for Heather Lee in whatever future role she may have in Jason's life. I guess we may never know what kind of connection the two had prior to The Bourne Identity.

While the final action sequence was the atypical Bourne chase scene that perhaps ran a tad too long, I was very impressed by the choreography of the Athens protest/chase sequence. A solid meshing of the Berlin protest in The Bourne Supremacy with the regular Bourne vehicle chases. I also liked how in the final chase, Jason is for once doing the chasing.

Rounded off with a strong supporting cast of the always enchanting Alicia Vikander, Vincent Cassel, Tommy Lee Jones, Julie Stiles, Riz Ahmed, and Gregg Henry (who really does look like he could be Bourne's father), the film doesn't offer too much new, but it was still very enjoyable.

Identity - 9
Supremacy - 8
Ultimatum - 8
Legacy - 5 (it's not that bad)
Jason - 7
 
I rated it 8. Not as good as Greengrass' other 2 but at least as good as Identity and much better than Legacy.

There wasn't a lot to the story and one could probably even watch this without any real knowledge of the previous films (the recap at the start would suffice). Pulling him back in was a bit contrived and killing off Nicky reminded me of the death of his girlfriend in Supremacy.

But, boy, those action scenes. The Vegas chase was a little silly (I kept thinking of the end of Con Air) but hugely entertaining. The Athens sequence was superb. Nothing can top the Waterloo station scene from Ultimatum but the London cat and mouse game here was great too. Hell, Greengrass makes looking at a computer screen exciting.

Cast was top-notch. Okay, Tommy Lee Jones was Tommy Lee Jones but...Its Tommy Lee Jones, so it's automatically excellent. I've been a fan of Cassell since the superb Mesrine so I thought he was a worthy nemesis for Bourne. Their final showdown was all I hoped, putting to rest bad memories of how Legacy failed to give us Renner v his big bad.

And, of course, Damon in his signature role, fantastic as always. Amazing to compare this with his garrulous Mark Watney in The Martian and amazing too to think he has even fewer lines than Superman in Batman v Superman. But he does so much with his eyes, face and body.
 
Nicky's death was forgettable.

The "Asset" being responsible for Jason Bourne's father's death was a bit of a stretch

Vikander's character pulling a double agent came out of nowhere at the end

-First she wanted Bourne

-Then she believed he could be turned and worked with him

-Then she's revealed to be an opportunist who wanted a director position


I understood Tommy Lee Jones motivations more than hers

He didn't think Bourne could be turned and then set up Vikander's character to fall on her face in London

BTW it's getting to be a cliche to have an older figure pulling the strings

First we had Brian Cox

Then Albert Finney

Now Tommy Lee Jones

The deep dream subplot with Tommy Lee Jones wanting that CEO's tech didn't quite fit.

Sure Tommy Lee Jones wanted complete pinpoint searching of people but why did that CEO all of a sudden want to expose Tommy Lee Jones?

Was it because the CEO didn't want to work with the Ironhead project?



Also at what point in the film did we learn about this "Malcolm Smith who used to work with the agency but now lives in London" ?

I must have missed that part
 
I give this movie a 7/10. It was fine but doesn't come close to the original 3, especially Ultimatum.

At the time the original 3 Bourne movies set a new high watermark for the spy action movie. James Bond, Mission Impossible, and other movies in the spy film genre had to at least meet the level of the Bourne movies or else die a quick death. In the intervening years, James Bond and Mission Impossible have not only met those standards but surpassed them.

So now we have a new Bourne movie with Matt Damon and it doesn't break any new ground. This film would have worked better in 2007 but now there have been so many movies in the same genre that are better than it.

I enjoyed the action sequences and seeing Matt Damon in the role. I thought the Bourne Legacy actually had a better story since it at least tried to take the whole concept to a different place rather than re-hashing the same old thing but the action sequences in Jason Bourne were much better.

So while I enjoyed this movie, I had a much higher emotional investment into the story of the original 3 that this movie didn't come close to matching.
 
I'm reminded of the 1979 Alien and then the sequel Aliens. The sequel didn't just do more of the same. There is a lesson there.
 
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Also at what point in the film did we learn about this "Malcolm Smith who used to work with the agency but now lives in London" ?

I must have missed that part

It happened quickly, but it was when Bourne was looking over the files Nicky gave him. Right before Heather erased them by using the cell phone as an access point.

As for me? Perfunctory is a word I'd use for this movie, granted it's been ages since I've seen the first three, so my memories a bit foggy, but I know they wrapped up the story in Ultimatum.

I can't say I was ever bored by it, but I was really hoping for some better action sequences, I mean what we got was ok, the car chase in Vegas was really exciting, but I was hoping for some good gun play, and it didn't seem really got that. Maybe I'm not the greatest person to compare this to the others as I really don't remember them that much (that will change soon, as I ordered the whole series on Bluray for a great deal). I left feeling really underwhelmed though, and a little disappointed cause I was expecting better from this film.
 
I messed up my assigned seating(tickets were booked for Saturday instead of Friday)

So at the last minute I had to choose 2nd row from the XD screen which was all that was left

Could not make heads or tails of anything for the first two minutes.

Then luckily there were some empty seats two rows back.

At some points you could see one image but when it got to chaotic scenes like Bourne VS the Asset in Vegas or the car chase it became a blur of scenes

I'll have to buy the blu-ray to see it again
 
Enjoyable but far too derivative. It was the same basic plot as the others. Killing the heroine early in the movie was a mistake. We'd seen that before and it left Nicky as barely more than a sketch. Plus why has she not learned the lesson that a blonde woman needs to have a head scarf or dark wig ready when trying to blend in. She's been here before and she looked like an amateur!
 
Saw it today. Observations...
  • Lots of intense walking.
  • Sad that Nicky died. It was clear that they just wanted to replace her with Vikander.
  • Vikander's American accent sounded forced.
  • I wish they had kept the same trend with the titles.
  • Not enough well choreographed action.
In the end, not as good as previous installments. Guess Damon had to get something out since his buddy is now Batman.
 
I was pissed that Nicky was killed. I was hoping Bourne and her would be a team during the film.
 
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