If the Full Circle Fleet were to recover Janeway and Paris' salamander love children, would B'Lanna be cool with them moving in?
If Voyager recovers Janeway and Paris' love children . . .
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I assume she'd be completely amphibious to the idea.
Well, despite the canonicity of "Threshold" being in dispute, the concept was recyled in "The Lives of Dax" - where it turns out Tom Paris wasn't the first to cross the warp 10 threshold. And, presumably, that Trill symbionts are immune to hyper-devolution.
So, it happened and those salamanders.... are out there. Salamanding.
Also: Bring back Janeway.
So, it happened and those salamanders.... are out there. Salamanding.
Also: Bring back Janeway.
Also: Bring back Janeway.
She's better off dead. Or you could say we're better off that she's dead.
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Also: Bring back Janeway.
She's better off dead. Or you could say we're better off that she's dead.
She's as dead as Kirk, Scotty, Tripp, and Sisko ever were. . . along with anyone who's ever been transported, teleported, transplaced, or downloaded. Well, maybe less dead than Spock ever was.
But if she is dead, dead, maybe we'd like to be assured that a piece of her lives on, at least in salamander form.
. . . if you believe in the prophets maybe. Or the rantings of a grief stricken widow. Or Jake. I'm sure most people in Starfleet just believed Sisko died fighting Dukat before Unity. "Believe" and "dead" are such relative words, especially where gods and Q are involved.
Janeway has always had a special connection to the spirit realm. Think about it. Her spirit guide was a salamander, then she became one and birthed salamanders. Coincidence? I think not. Something strange is amuck with these salamanders and the fleet needs to get to the bottom of it!
Janeway has always had a special connection to the spirit realm. Think about it. Her spirit guide was a salamander, then she became one and birthed salamanders. Coincidence? I think not. Something strange is amuck with these salamanders and the fleet needs to get to the bottom of it!
Is it time for "Not. Dead." to make a comeback?
Yes. Monty Python style!
I don't see where you would have needed to believe the wormhole aliens were Prophets to realize that Sisko was still alive. They realized the wormhole aliens lived in another dimension, so I don't see why they wouldn't have believed that Sisko was simply living in their realm.
^Right. There's no dispute whether the wormhole aliens exist or have extraordinary powers -- simply whether they represent advanced aliens or deities. The existence of other dimensional planes and incorporeal intelligences is an accepted scientific reality.
And Janeway's spirit guide was actually a tokay gecko, which is a reptile, whereas salamanders are amphibians, a whole different taxonomic class. And the creatures in "Threshold" weren't salamanders either, of course, just something similar.
And Janeway's spirit guide was actually a tokay gecko, which is a reptile, whereas salamanders are amphibians, a whole different taxonomic class. And the creatures in "Threshold" weren't salamanders either, of course, just something similar.
There's no dispute whether the Q exist or have extraordinary powers. I see no difference between the state of Sisko at the end of What You Leave Behind and the state of Janeway at the end of Before Dishonor. Whether or not they return her doesn't matter to me and isn't the reason I started this thread, which was meant to be a joke. But people can't say Janeway is dead and never should be returned when Sisko wasn't even gone for a year after the Prophets interveined moments before he was consumed with fire.
Whatever the spawn of Janeway and Paris were, Tom is a poor parent for abandoning his children. B'Lanna and Miral should be concerned about his willingness to stick around.
Whatever the spawn of Janeway and Paris were, Tom is a poor parent for abandoning his children. B'Lanna and Miral should be concerned about his willingness to stick around.
I thought Sisko died, they just didn't explicitly show it.
The Prophets are no more physical than the Q and the Q are not the Grim Reaper. I also have Peter David's personal account. He told me, personally, that Janeway was taken to be with the Q and that he wrote it that way because he disagreed with killing off Janeway (same as he disagreed with killing Janos but wasn't given a choice). His intent, even if he didn't express it perfectly, was that she was with the Q so that she could be returned if the franchise chose to bring her back in. In a similar manner, Sisko was originally going to be killed at the end of DS9 but Avery Brooks had them change it so as not to reinforce the stereotype of a black man abandoning his family.
If Janeway is to return, I think Voyager Fleet should find her amoung the rebuilding society that was once Borg. Now that the Calier have freed all the Borg drones to go "back" to non-Borg existance, it wouldn't surprise me if they need help adapting to being "not Borg" anymore, whatever that may be. Some/most of the Borg drones in deep Borg space in the Delta Quadrant have never known life as regular non-Borg beings. And who better to help them transition to being something other than Borg than Janeway, who helped Seven of Nine. It also makes sense that Q might take Janeway and drop her off there. And think of the symetry, to find Janeway in the Delta Quadrant leading all these ex-Borg in creating a new Federation. Janeway becomes the next Borg Queen -- or the ex-Borg Queen. And, who knows, maybe she's even helping out her salemander children, who may have also been assimulated by the Borg and are recovering now.
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