I don't get Picard S2...

[Kastrol]

I love time travel stories but Picard S2 leaves me baffled. From the young Guinan not recognising Picard to Q's behaviour. I've heard the writer's explanation regarding Guinan but Q's activities leave me baffled.

One moment he's stating that he's giving Picard and penance and striking him. Next he's interferring and manipulating events to aid Adam Soong and then at the end he reckons he was helping Picard come to terms with his mother's death.

I had a theory that the Q we see in civilian clothes was an earlier version planning to test Picard and when his powers first fail him, that's his first indication that he's dying. The later "black suited Q" is a Q from later in his personal timeline aiming to help Picard come to terms with his mother's death while meanwhile putting right the timeline that Q has meddled with and can go longer fix with a snap of the fingers.

This obviously has a few problems, mostly being Q's already aged appearance in later episodes. I'm assuming I've got it wrong though so can someone explain exactly why Q's behaviour varies so much over the course of the season?

 

[Racefuel]

I think S2 of Picard was just a victim of the production chaos that came from that whole 2020-late 2022 (technically current) global event.

It felt kind of disjointed. I think S2 had a different vision when the series first started and was filmed in 2019, but bumps along the road changed the road itself.

 

[Dukhat]

Q’s actions in season 2 (and his rationale for said actions) don’t make a lick of sense. But hey, everybody, Q’s back!!!

 

[fireproof78]

This obviously has a few problems, mostly being Q's already aged appearance in later episodes. I'm assuming I've got it wrong though so can someone explain exactly why Q's behaviour varies so much over the course of the season?

Unfortunately, COVID restrictions happened. So, things got messed up. And, it's Q and they rely on the most convoluted way to try and tell this lesson.

From the young Guinan not recognising Picard

That's time travel shenanigans

Q’s actions in season 2 (and his rationale for said actions) don’t make a lick of sense. But hey, everybody, Q’s back!!!

Is Q enough to carry a season?
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[Racefuel]

My only issue with the Q issue is, unless I've mercifully blocked S2 out of my memory, they never explained how an omnipotent, ageless being..can die.

 

[Kastrol]

My only issue with the Q issue is, unless I've mercifully blocked S2 out of my memory, they never explained how an omnipotent, ageless being..can die.

Funny, cos that's one thing I can live with. Quinn himself said "we may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not!"

 

[Racefuel]

Funny, cos that's one thing I can live with. Quinn himself said "we may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not!"

I forgot all about that line

 

[urbandk]

S2 feels like the red headed step child of this series. While Discovery was able to ride the waves of production turmoil, Picard felt more unmoored, and halfway through S2 it seemed like all the producers wanted to do was talk about S3.

FWIW I like S2. It was half baked and convoluted, but it's so weird that it has its own kind of charm.

 

[Caeruleus]

More events and more things happen in that episode when Sisko and his team go to San Francisco 2024 than in whole season 2 of Picard.

 

[Racefuel]

S2 feels like the red headed step child of this series. While Discovery was able to ride the waves of production turmoil, Picard felt more unmoored, and halfway through S2 it seemed like all the producers wanted to do was talk about S3.

FWIW I like S2. It was half baked and convoluted, but it's so weird that it has its own kind of charm.

As grim as it sounds, the highlight of Season 2 for me was General Picards "trophy room". It was neat seeing what a Vulcan, Borg, Klingon, Saurian and Ferengi skull looks like.

 

[Tuskin38]

More events and more things happen in that episode when Sisko and his team go to San Francisco 2024 than in whole season 2 of Picard.

Nope.

 

[David cgc]

I love time travel stories but Picard S2 leaves me baffled. From the young Guinan not recognising Picard to Q's behaviour. I've heard the writer's explanation regarding Guinan...

The thing that confuses me about that is that 25th century Guinan remembers what happened with 21st century in the season finale, and says that she was intentionally foreshadowing their meeting in the 21st century in the season premiere, but that was the past of the Confederation timeline, which is why she couldn't remember 19th century Guinan already met Picard, but the Confederation timeline turned into the past of the normal timeline, so at some point, 21st century Guinan suddenly remembered being 19th century Guinan and meeting Picard (and puked, I guess?) off-screen, but she didn't forget the parts leading to the Confederation timeline, which was... none of it, apparently, so why did she forget the time-travelers from the normal timeline?

I binged the first two seasons of PIC leading up to season 3, since it was supposed to be such a stark improvement (stick the landing, team!), and I kept notes, thinking I might make a thread about it, but I didn't finish until after the new season had started. I will say I had a lot more notes about season 2 than season 1.

 

[drt]

so why did she forget the time-travelers from the normal timeline?

Was it ever stated she forgot? She kept the first time Picard and company traveled back in time to meet her secret for years, I suppose she could have done the same for this instance as well.

 

[thribs]

I don't think anyone does

 

[NCC-73515]

Q apparently tried to stop Renee from going to Europa so she doesn't find a sentient microbe on Io (completely different place) so that microbug doesn't solve climate change, in order for Picard to figure out that the key needs to stay behind the brick, because the immortal Q is dying, and Picard saves the timeline with a girl who wants to bite eyelids and kick faces, and another girl who has to scream so much the room shakes, because that is how you order a Q delivery. Makes perfect sense, right?

 

[thribs]

The Renee thing annoyed since they already had in the canon someone who went to Jupiter with Shaun Christopher. Plus the whole thing is just a rip off of the Expanse.

 

[drt]

Christopher went to Saturn.

 

[thribs]

Christopher went to Saturn.

Could have gone to Jupiter first.
He also did it in 2020 I recall.

 

[fireproof78]

Plus the whole thing is just a rip off of the Expanse.

The what?

And pretty sure Trek did whatever that was first.

 

[thribs]

The what?

And pretty sure Trek did whatever that was first.

Renee finding something on one of Jupiter's moons is basically the Protomolcule story.