Human Fashion in Trek 2017
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Which of course was never "clearly stated." The idea of having financial accounts (or some such) can be seen with different Starfleet characters, even Picard himself made a purchase while on Risa. Most would agree Risa is a Federation member.
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And I believe Sisko bought land with plans to build a house on Bajor. Or did he get the land free since he is The Emissary?
For civilian clothes they should just use store bought clothes, designing new outfits would be a waste of time because
a) in most cases futuristic outfits look completely ridiculous and
b) in 20 years they'll look dated anyway what because they will be designed with current trends in mind
Just look at TNG, we had civilian outfits made out of often butt ugly shiny fabrics that still scream late 80s/early 90s. The same for TOS, it's like the 60s barfed all over the 23rd century.
They should spare us the ugly clothes and just get stuff that looks nice now. In 20 years people will look back and roll their eyes at the obvious 2017ness of everything no matter what, it will not have a timeless aesthetic, so just embrace that it's made in 2017.
a) in most cases futuristic outfits look completely ridiculous and
b) in 20 years they'll look dated anyway what because they will be designed with current trends in mind
Just look at TNG, we had civilian outfits made out of often butt ugly shiny fabrics that still scream late 80s/early 90s. The same for TOS, it's like the 60s barfed all over the 23rd century.
They should spare us the ugly clothes and just get stuff that looks nice now. In 20 years people will look back and roll their eyes at the obvious 2017ness of everything no matter what, it will not have a timeless aesthetic, so just embrace that it's made in 2017.
I don't really think you can get clearer than Picard in First Contact, or Jake and Nog in In the Cards.
While it is certainly true that the show consistently contradicted itself on the issue because it lacked the imagination to describe a post scarcity world, it most certainly is clearly stated that money doesn't exist in the 24th Century, for humans at the very least.
I sorry, when did Picard, Jake or Nog ever clearly state that "the Federation is a post-capitalistic society?"
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How can a society that has shed the need for and desire for capital possibly be anything else?
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You're not accounting for public databases of open source items. We've seen glimpses of what its like within starfleet for starfleet tech/gear and a few little bits of what its like for starfleet personnel who want to replicate non-starfleet items(like the Klingon candles Dax made).
Just look at websites like thingiverse for 3d printing today. A thriving community of open source designers...Add this to the non-monetary systems of the core federation worlds and I would posit that it would be a mainstream part of life to be able to access many multi-planetary databases of items, designer clothing included.
And please speak for yourself, I design most of the shirts I wear before having them made
The problem is that not everybody have replicator device at home. Just see at Sisko family's house in Earth. I didn't find any replicator there. I also didn't see any replicator at Picard brother's house in TNG, and "The Doctor" simulation family house in Voyager.Sisko has to go to Dukat's store to make his clothes. So do you have any canon proof for the replicator things?
So until we get a canon proof that state that every house in Earth have replicator device, let consider that they don't.
So how can the people get their clothes? Earth doesn't use money based economy. So I doubt that there are Foreign Business come. Nobody want to invest in a place like that. They are not a social organization after all. They do business, like us today. So they will definitely avoid Earth.
A clothes store like Dukat? Maybe. But without money, it is not a business, but a hobby. So you can't angry and shout at the owner if he doesn't even care to finish the clothes that you ask him to make.
Public replicator? Maybe. But there must be a government regulator for that. Even in DS9, not everybody have right to use the replicator at the station. Only the crew do.
Oh btw, you are not everybody. You may design your own shirts. But not everyone do that.
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By Dukat, I believe you mean Garak who ran the tailor shop on the promenade (DS9). Small matter.
To me Garak's shop suggests that while you can get clothing from a standard replicator, in order to get something that fits truly well, you have to find a source other than a replicator. A replicator would be the equivalent of "off the rack."
In the case of replicators in the home, Miles O'Brien didn't have a replicator in the home he grew up in, while his wife did. Perhaps the O'Brien family couldn't afford one?
There's a scene that takes place in Joseph Sisko's restaurant where Joseph comes into the restaurant carrying bags of food that he obtained elsewhere, food that he needs to begin the days cooking. Why do this is the replicator can make anything you want? Either he doesn't have a replicator, or he does but doesn't use it to make the ingredients that he then used in his recipes.
It's clear from another episode that Joseph uses real shellfish, not replicated ones.
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To me Garak's shop suggests that while you can get clothing from a standard replicator, in order to get something that fits truly well, you have to find a source other than a replicator. A replicator would be the equivalent of "off the rack."
In the case of replicators in the home, Miles O'Brien didn't have a replicator in the home he grew up in, while his wife did. Perhaps the O'Brien family couldn't afford one?
There's a scene that takes place in Joseph Sisko's restaurant where Joseph comes into the restaurant carrying bags of food that he obtained elsewhere, food that he needs to begin the days cooking. Why do this is the replicator can make anything you want? Either he doesn't have a replicator, or he does but doesn't use it to make the ingredients that he then used in his recipes.
It's clear from another episode that Joseph uses real shellfish, not replicated ones.
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Access to replicators always struck me as a choice in the later Treks.
Ignoring for a second that Earth is well beyond scarcity... we've seen examples of various people slagging off replicated food before and thus I draw that they simply prefer non-replicated noms.
What we haven't seen is people slagging off everything replicated, save for klingon candles of course.
It makes sense to a degree - not everyone is going to completely buy into the lifestyle that is generated by post-scarcity technology. And the Federation is about being free to make ones own choices. But at the same time just because all we've seen are a couple of examples of people who have fun slagging off tech doesn't mean its commonplace at all.
I don't buy the 'replicated products are lesser and don't fit well' argument.
Even today we have software and sensors that can measure a persons size down to mm scale... and automation software is already around that fits digital clothing to any given human model size. so why that tech wouldn't be commonplace in the 24th century I don't know.
Hell, every time a person goes through a transporter you get a complete readout of their exact specifications(presumably accessible in a public transporter system) anyway so why an advanced system that uses quantum mechanics to build things molecule by molecule would be somehow incapable of making clothing that fits well....
Ignoring for a second that Earth is well beyond scarcity... we've seen examples of various people slagging off replicated food before and thus I draw that they simply prefer non-replicated noms.
What we haven't seen is people slagging off everything replicated, save for klingon candles of course.
It makes sense to a degree - not everyone is going to completely buy into the lifestyle that is generated by post-scarcity technology. And the Federation is about being free to make ones own choices. But at the same time just because all we've seen are a couple of examples of people who have fun slagging off tech doesn't mean its commonplace at all.
I don't buy the 'replicated products are lesser and don't fit well' argument.
Even today we have software and sensors that can measure a persons size down to mm scale... and automation software is already around that fits digital clothing to any given human model size. so why that tech wouldn't be commonplace in the 24th century I don't know.
Hell, every time a person goes through a transporter you get a complete readout of their exact specifications(presumably accessible in a public transporter system) anyway so why an advanced system that uses quantum mechanics to build things molecule by molecule would be somehow incapable of making clothing that fits well....
While I probably have this through context, allow me to ask ...
"Slagging off?"
Still we have seen people go to tailors, and comment of the taste and smell of replicated items. And we know people still grow food. Replicator technology makes a great deal of sense for people in enclosed isolated conditions. Like a starship or a space station or some little rock in the middle of nowhere.
And while replicator would be available on a planet, so too would other means of obtaining what you want, and it is stated that replicators consume a large amount of power. So, people on planets would be a able to purchase food that was grown, animals/fish that was living at some point, and clothing that is made of grown fibers or leather or synthetic or etc..
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"Being rude about", or as I understand it if you're under 23, "throwing shade".
Now I'm imagining Dukat peddling clothes in his off-hours when he isn't terrorizing the galactic community.
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LOL, sorry for the mistake
Not Human, but only Earth, I guess. Earth can have it's own non currency economy model. But The Federation as a whole can't. Because Human is not alone in the universe, and other people (Alien) still use our current model of Currency Economy model. And those Alien won't bother with your non Currency Policy. They care only for money, or resource.
Of course, except if Human prefer to be alone / exclusive.
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