Human Fashion in Trek 2017

[Mark_Nguyen]

There's been some good discussion about uniforms for the next Trek series, but it strikes me that human, but not-uniformed, fashion will also be present and will shape the look of the show. How should it be presented?

The precedent is largely set by a given show's costume designer. Over the years, we've had civilian fashion that ranges from basically off-the-rack contemporary, to uncomfortably futuristic. Some general examples demonstrative of each series are below.

They range from Kirk's various duds in The Final Frontier, which may as well have been 1989 jeans and shirts, to McCoy's 1970s disco hippie outfit in TMP; we also have a wide range of outfits including various iterations of TNG space pyjamas, Sisko's African-inspired collection, and IMO the worst offenders with VOY's space formalwear that never really looked good or comfortable...

What do you think? Should future human fashion look like it'd never ever be made, or that it was bought at the local Macy's?

Mark

TOS: The Cage

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/0x00/thecage314.jpg

TOS: Operation Annihilate!

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1x29/Operation_Annihilate_083.JPG

TNG: The Game

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/season-5/5x06/the-game-hd-207.jpg

TNG: The Survivors

http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x03/the_survivors_hd_064.jpg

DS9: Explorers

http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x22/explorers082.jpg

DS9: Homefront / Paradise Lost

http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x11/homefront_211.jpg
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x12/paradiselost_649.jpg

VOY: Non Sequitur

http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x05/nonsequitur108.jpg

VOY: Real Life

http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/3x22/reallife008.jpg

ENT: Home

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/4x03/home_172.jpg

ENT: Horizon

http://ent.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2x20/horizon_334.jpg

Abramsverse

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/normal_trekxihd0315.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/normal_trekxihd0638.jpg
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xii/teaser/startrekintodarkness_hd_45.jpg

 

[Kor]

These things tend to cycle around.

So in their off-hours, the crew should wear frilly Georgian-era clothes and white powder wigs.

Kor

 

[Awesome Possum]

DayGlo on everything.

 

[HIjol]

I would imagine that, since we are free to pursue our interests in a less pressured and profit-driven way, in the 24th, fashion would be individualized, to more closely match the personality of the wearer.

How about duds like the fashion they wore in THX 1138?

 

[Serin117]

People have access to replicators and hundreds of cultures worth of fashion. Not to mention what must be a thriving maker and art community.
Anything, and probably everything.

 

[Brainsucker]

I think it depend on how Human get influenced by Alien's culture (Vulcan?)

Historically, the East Asian Nations have their own cultured garment. They wear clothes that very different to what they wear today (just see what the Samurai wear in Samurai movie). But because they were influenced culturally by Western Nations, their garment change to what they wear today.

So The future Human Garment will be greatly influenced by Alien. Maybe Vulcan, as Vulcan was basically a highly advanced, and more cultured by Human in the 22nd Century Star Trek.

But, if we want put the real science into Star Trek, the Human fashion should involve of a garment that capable to protect them from the Sun radiation. Because all human who live in space will always exposed to the radiation.

 

[Brainsucker]

People have access to replicators and hundreds of cultures worth of fashion. Not to mention what must be a thriving maker and art community.
Anything, and probably everything.

I don't agree. Can everyone access the replicator engine? Not everyone have that luxury. But even if they have, still not everybody have the talent to design descent clothes. And not everybody care about to create their own clothing, but still want to be seen good by other people.

It just like us. We have the technology to create a clothes. We all can create our own clothes, as long as we have the cloth and the tools to do it. But will we do that? No, we prefer to buy it in the store. We all can design a clothes. Just take a ballpoint and a paper, and we can draw a clothes design for ourselves. But we won't do that.

But the problem is that Star Trek has eliminated the traditional economy like we have today. So I doubt that they have branded garments like we have today in their universe. Maybe their clothes look like what the people of North Korean wear Simple.

 

[Serin117]

SNIP

You're not accounting for public databases of open source items. We've seen glimpses of what its like within starfleet for starfleet tech/gear and a few little bits of what its like for starfleet personnel who want to replicate non-starfleet items(like the Klingon candles Dax made).
Just look at websites like thingiverse for 3d printing today. A thriving community of open source designers...Add this to the non-monetary systems of the core federation worlds and I would posit that it would be a mainstream part of life to be able to access many multi-planetary databases of items, designer clothing included.

And please speak for yourself, I design most of the shirts I wear before having them made

 

[AviTrek]

That ignores fashion trends. People want to wear what's popular. There is a certain amount of conformity that people value to fit into a group. Even groups that value "non-conformity" tend to have fashion trends within the group that members conform to while being non-conformists to the rest of society. I see no reason why that would change in the future.

 

[Kor]

Roddenberry's idea for TMP was that casual settings would need no clothes at all, as humanity will have socially evolved in the next few centuries so that today's taboos and strictures don't exist anymore.

Kor

 

[T'Girl]

fashion would be individualized

First thing I thought of when I saw that image.

You're not accounting for public databases of open source items

Which doesn't take into account fashion trends and designer clothing. If everyone else is wearing the lastest fashion (not more than a couple of weeks old) and you show up wearing generic "open source" replicator crap, well that's just not going to cut it.

I figure there'll still be intellectual property in the 24th century, and people will still have a sense of style, and what's in. So you access a 24th century website, order clothing replicator patterns and one copy only information is sent to your replicator, the agreed upon price is deducted from your financial account.

http://www.popsugar.com/fashion/Spring-Shopping-Guide-March-2016-40304191#photo-40304191

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[Longinus]

Nah, no money is involved. The designer will get 'likes'. They are doing it for prestige, not for money. Art and fiction communities on the internet already operate like this.

But yes, there still would be fashion, some things would be popular and some not.

I always find that the civilian clothes in the Trek is the thing that most obviously displays the era in which the shows were made. While most of the uniforms in the older materail still look pretty good these days, many of the civilian clothes look horribly dated.

 

[T'Girl]

Sure money is involved, just as Beverly bought material in the pilot using the money in her account, people on Earth would use their financial accounts to make purchases. Money to buy replicator patterns, some more money for the energy to operate the replicator itself, and you have the latest gardening gizmo.

The one you saw advertised only moments before.

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[Nyotarules]

Roddenberry's idea for TMP was that casual settings would need no clothes at all, as humanity will have socially evolved in the next few centuries so that today's taboos and strictures don't exist anymore.

Kor

Come to Earth - the Federation's nudist capital lol

 

[Longinus]

@T'Girl, that was not on Federation, the Bandi obviously still have a primitive capitalistic system. But we've been over this before. I believe when it is clearly stated that the Federation is a post-capitalistic society and you don't. And sure, examples can be found to support either stance. But no need to derail yet another thread.

 

[Nyotarules]

Sure money is involved, just as Beverly bought material in the pilot using the money in her account, people on Earth would use their financial accounts to make purchases. Money to buy replicator patterns, some more money for the energy to operate the replicator itself, and you have the latest gardening gizmo.

The one you saw advertised only moments before.

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Good interpretation of a monetary economy. Picard's we don't get paid or need money line in First Contact is such a load of tosh IMO. E.g how do people buy land and property?

 

[hux]

And Kim was almost ambushed into buying some trinkets by Quark so currency was clearly available to him.

As for the fashion, it needs to be fairly neutral but contemporary. As soon as Star Trek starts trying to look futuristic, everyone ends up looking like a fucking brain-damaged pirate in a waist coat.

 

[Longinus]

@hux, contemporary will look dated in few years.

 

[Kor]

I thought the human fashion in ENT looked odd because it was too close to contemporary styles. That includes the admirals' uniforms.

Kor

 

[Nyotarules]

I can imagine Vulcan fashions being all the rage in the early 22nd century after humanity stopped shooting each other.