How old was Spock when he died?

[Airin]

I don't know if this should go in this section, or the Kelvin movies one, but as it deals with TOS Spock I'm tentatively putting it here.
I've seen that Memory Alpha says that Spock died when he was 161, but I don't understand how they calculated that age. If he died in an alternate reality, how do you correlate the stardates in that reality with the stardates in the prime reality? Moreover, is there some way to correlate those stardates with "real dates"? I know that TOS stardates were very flexible and didn't translate to a specific date of our calendar. Though admittedly, I don't know if AOS uses a different system.

 

[Tosk]

I've seen that Memory Alpha says that Spock died when he was 161, but I don't understand how they calculated that age.

Presumably, they did it by adding up the number of years he lived, irrespective of where he lived them.

Born in 2230. In 2387 he traveled back in time to an alternate reality, where he lived for a further 5 years. By my calculations that should actually make him 162, but no doubt I've missed some nuance along the way.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't know if this should go in this section, or the Kelvin movies one, but as it deals with TOS Spock I'm tentatively putting it here.
I've seen that Memory Alpha says that Spock died when he was 161, but I don't understand how they calculated that age. If he died in an alternate reality, how do you correlate the stardates in that reality with the stardates in the prime reality? Moreover, is there some way to correlate those stardates with "real dates"? I know that TOS stardates were very flexible and didn't translate to a specific date of our calendar. Though admittedly, I don't know if AOS uses a different system.

I don’t think Stardates would be a factor.

 

[Airin]

Presumably, they did it by adding up the number of years he lived, irrespective of where he lived them.

Born in 2230. In 2387 he traveled back in time to an alternate reality, where he lived for a further 5 years. By my calculations that should actually make him 162, but no doubt I've missed some nuance along the way.

Yeah, but does the date "2387" ever appear in the AOS movies? I know that TNG at least used Gregorian dates in rare cases, but otherwise it's mostly stardates. There must be some calculation at work here, but I fail to see which one.

 

[Tosk]

Yeah, but does the date "2387" ever appear in the AOS movies?

I don't believe it does literally appear. But there are other references to timeframes that give it.

Star Trek 2009 starts in the year 2233.
Spock arrives in the year 2258.
When melding with Kirk in 2258, Spock states that the incident which sent him back happens "One hundred and twenty nine years from now."

2387.

Edit: But also what NCC-73515 said.

 

[NCC-73515]

AOS?

From 09:
SPOCK: I foresee a complication. The design of this ship is far more advanced than I've anticipated.
COMPUTER VOICE: Voice print and face recognition analysis enabled. Welcome back, Ambassador Spock.
KIRK: Wow, that's weird.
SPOCK: Computer, what is your manufacturing origin?
COMPUTER VOICE: Stardate 2387. Commissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy.

(Stardates in the Prime universe of that time wouldn't say the year though)


From Beyond:

 

[Tosk]

COMPUTER VOICE: Stardate 2387. Commissioned by the Vulcan Science Academy.

Oh shit, even better! I'm over here doing math like a chump when I should just get a better memory.

 

[Victoria]

In calculating Spock's age, what allowance is made for his death in TWoK?

Is his age calculated from his first birth, or should it be calculated from his second "birth? Is his "age" the age of his katra or his body?

 

[Phoenix219]

Right - even if it was aged to the proper quality, it was still a brand new body. Interesting philosophical issue.

 

[Airin]

I don't believe it does literally appear. But there are other references to timeframes that give it.

Star Trek 2009 starts in the year 2233.
Spock arrives in the year 2258.
When melding with Kirk in 2258, Spock states that the incident which sent him back happens "One hundred and twenty nine years from now."

2387.

Edit: But also what NCC-73515 said.

Aha, I see now, thanks. So stardates in the Abrams movies are simply... the actual date. Well, that's kind of lazy...

 

[Airin]

In calculating Spock's age, what allowance is made for his death in TWoK?

Is his age calculated from his first birth, or should it be calculated from his second "birth? Is his "age" the age of his katra or his body?

I think it should be the age of his katra. Bodies are of little significance in the Star Trek universe. They're constantly disintegrating and recreating them in transporters, after all.

 

[Victoria]

I think it should be the age of his katra. Bodies are of little significance in the Star Trek universe. They're constantly disintegrating and recreating them in transporters, after all.

In that case, how do you calculate katra aging? In most cases, it will be straighforward and will equate exactly with the age of the body. In the cases where the katra is recovered from the body and stored in a "katra ark" (or whatever), does the katra still "age" or does it remain at the age of the death of the body? Once it is outside the body it gains no further experience - the katra of a child will remain childish.

 

[NCC-73515]

Aha, I see now, thanks. So stardates in the Abrams movies are simply... the actual date. Well, that's kind of lazy...

And the numbers after the . are the 365 days of the year

 

[ZapBrannigan]

I had to use Google to find out that "AOS" is just a neologism for JJ-Trek. To me, that's not an Original ("came first") thing, but a Re-imagined thing.

 

[Airin]

I had to use Google to find out that "AOS" is just a neologism for JJ-Trek. To me, that's not an Original ("came first") thing, but a Re-imagined thing.

I had often seen the reboots being mentioned as "Alternate Original Series" (AOS), so I thought it was the usual name. Guess not . But yeah, it's a misleading name. I think that "alternate original" would fit TOS Remastered better.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I had to use Google to find out that "AOS" is just a neologism for JJ-Trek. To me, that's not an Original ("came first") thing, but a Re-imagined thing.

When did “AOS” become a thing? First time I’ve heard the Abram’s films called that. Alternate Original Series is just a weird and contradictory phrase to me.

 

[Ssosmcin]

I think it should be the age of his katra. Bodies are of little significance in the Star Trek universe. They're constantly disintegrating and recreating them in transporters, after all.

In the original series, it's the same body reassembled. From TNG on, the story seems to change but that's not TOS's problem.

 

[David cgc]

When did “AOS” become a thing? First time I’ve heard the Abram’s films called that. Alternate Original Series is just a weird and contradictory phrase to me.

I've mostly seen it on Tumblr and other fanwork-focused sites. Around here we've stuck with JJ-verse, or Kelvin Timeline since that was coined.