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Gillian Anderson's The Fall

Re the title, I'm probably way off base but I always thought it was connected with The Falls Road, an especially notorious road in Belfast.

The police corruption and the criminal gangs stuff is touched upon in series 2, it isn't given as much weight as in series one but they were there and did impact upon the story.

A third series
without Paul
is a possibility if they focus more on this stuff, plus I think
the young girl has the potential to now share Paul's twisted world view.

It is interesting given how violent and sadistic series 1 was that series 2 is less obviously violent, it does have some interesting things to say about violence, especially towards women but not exclusively. Paul is right, Stella only mentioned the female victims, the girl's brother who Paul stabbed with the scissors in series 1.

I thought it came dangerously close to breaking the 4th wall at one point where Stella was discussing Paul's video footage
"who were you talking to? Yourself, me, or the kind of people who enjoy watching things based around people like you?" :)

On an amusing side note it did make me smile when Dana Scully and Merlin started watching sex tapes together! :lol:
 
The plotline that felt hanging to me was the mob hit storyline and some police corruption stuff I seem to fuzzily recall. Also, wasn't there a suicide in there?

Ah, I assumed you meant Jimmy and his wife / dead son.

I agree the mob storyline was pretty meaningless, just an excuse to drive her supervisor over the edge and send him to her room at an "opportune" time. :shrug:

Loved it when he was more worried that Paul may have overheard his confession than the fact that there was a murderer in her room. :lol:

As for a potential "3rd" season/series... this was Gillian's response last November.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/fall-series-3-gillian-anderson-4620446

Here's another article on season 2.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/nov/08/the-fall-gillian-anderson-series-two

I loved the question "Does Gillian as 'Producer' get to pick who play's Stella's sexual partners? :rommie:

Another link.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/falls-gillian-anderson-season-2-762644

Another with one new tidbit. The season 2 swimming was with a body double.

http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/01/17/gillian-anderson-fall/21874665/
 
I sometimes wonder if actors talk about another season to obscure what's likely to happen in the current one!
 
I do wonder if it goes for a 3rd series, if it will stay in Belfast since Stella will probably never have sex again since its so dangerous for her partner. :p

I live in Belfast and I'd totally take the risk. Am I the only one who thinks she's way sexier now than she was 20 years or so ago?

Re the title, I'm probably way off base but I always thought it was connected with The Falls Road, an especially notorious road in Belfast.

I think you are off base. I don't think they were even on The Falls at any stage. It was largely confined to middle-class or student areas of South Belfast, apart from the paramilitary boss, whose family Paul was counselling. IIRC that was set in the Shankill, which would be a loyalist enclave, which like The Falls is in West Belfast, but the Falls is a republican area. I think the street where it was located was actually in South Belfast though.
 
I do wonder if it goes for a 3rd series, if it will stay in Belfast since Stella will probably never have sex again since its so dangerous for her partner. :p

I live in Belfast and I'd totally take the risk. Am I the only one who thinks she's way sexier now than she was 20 years or so ago?

Re the title, I'm probably way off base but I always thought it was connected with The Falls Road, an especially notorious road in Belfast.

I think you are off base. I don't think they were even on The Falls at any stage. It was largely confined to middle-class or student areas of South Belfast, apart from the paramilitary boss, whose family Paul was counselling. IIRC that was set in the Shankill, which would be a loyalist enclave, which like The Falls is in West Belfast, but the Falls is a republican area. I think the street where it was located was actually in South Belfast though.

Yeah I suspected I was probably wrong.

As for the womderful Ms Anderson, oh no you are not the only one, she's fantastic!

And it's not just us :)
 
Ah, I assumed you meant Jimmy and his wife / dead son.

Well, that plot point (which was basically "All the King's Men" mixed with a little bit of Jack Ruby) was the side plot that ended up having a disproportionate impact, but it were the ones left hanging that bothered me. Or, more accurately, I was bothered that one would become very important while the others sort of faded away. It required you to pay attention to them all but then didn't reward you for most of them.

I think it's interesting to note that Paul didn't kill anyone because of his compulsion in the second season. Everything was about covering his tracks.
 
Ah, I assumed you meant Jimmy and his wife / dead son.

Well, that plot point (which was basically "All the King's Men" mixed with a little bit of Jack Ruby) was the side plot that ended up having a disproportionate impact, but it were the ones left hanging that bothered me. Or, more accurately, I was bothered that one would become very important while the others sort of faded away. It required you to pay attention to them all but then didn't reward you for most of them.

I think it's interesting to note that Paul didn't kill anyone because of his compulsion in the second season. Everything was about covering his tracks.

It took 2 years for us to see the 2 seasons, but we have to remember that the second season probably took place over 1 - 2 weeks. Since he's such a "stalker/student" of those he kills, he didn't really have time to do it right.

I think the only thing that saved Stella was when
Reed turned her down and didn't go to her hotel room. Had that occurred I could totally see him going off script to try and kill them both.

The only thing that saved
Rose Stagg
was her children... although for the longest time not only did I think he killed her, I thought that he also
killed the 2 lovers trysting near his hideout.

I really worried that he would start killing children when the little Stagg kid caught him, and I suspect he didn't kill the
babysitter
since she wasn't frightened enough of him.

ETA: Another review of season 2.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/re...y-turns-the-male-gaze-against-itself-20150117

Good golly, Gillian has TWO beers named for her! :beer:

http://www.indiewire.com/article/gillian-anderson-on-owning-feminine-sexuality-in-the-fall-20150116
 
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I love this "essay" on Stella by Gillian, esp the last line.

"Even at the end of Season 2 we, including me, are still asking the question, Who is Stella Gibson?" :vulcan:

https://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/the-fall-gillian-anderson-essay-160318229.html

And am quite encouraged by the producer's remarks on series "3". :bolian:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...urn-with-or-without-jamie-dornan-9965773.html

Gillian likes teasing "Mr. Grey". :cool:

http://www.channel24.co.za/Gossip/News/Gillian-Anderson-loves-to-make-fun-of-Jamie-Dornan-20150115

The press juggernaut continues, with more Gillian. Evidently this was the most popular drama on BBC2 in 20 years.

http://www.dailynews.com/arts-and-e...w-season-of-the-fall-co-starring-jamie-dornan

I like what this reviewer says about Gillian... "She slays." :techman:

http://decider.com/2015/01/16/the-fall-netflix/
 
I could have seen Paul returning if the evidence against him was thinner. There could have been stuff about proving the case against him. But I think that's out for two reasons. One, that kind of sidelines Stella Gibson, which would be a bad idea, and, two, things kinda coalesced at the end (particularly with his own statements) so it wouldn't be all that dramatic.
 
I can see that there are ways forward, but it would be tricky and I think the show would be very different.

Firstly,
and perhaps least believably, you could have Paul survive and then escape from prison/hospital. That would be very clichéd, and given they know his name, what he looks like, they have his prints and DNA I’m not sure how long he could stay at large, no matter how clever he is (or thinks he is).

Alternatively they could have another serial killer face off against Stella, which again might be a tad cliché. If it were me I’d expand series 3 into a police corruption/organised crime storyline, but then I’d have a subplot around Katie who I do think has the potential to have been infected by Paul’s worldview (in fact I kept expecting her to do something nasty to her best friend like throw acid in her face or something). Killer Katie could then maybe become the dominant story threat of series 4, and of course it’s possible to have Paul survive and become a peripheral figure in either storyline.

Or it may just be better to end on a high.

As for why Paul didn’t kill more people, whilst he’s clearly a psychopath, and has no compunction in taking lives, at his core he has a very specific target type, young professional women who are brunette, presumably because they remind him of his mother (although it might not be quite that simple). He isn’t afraid to kill other people, but only does so as a matter of expediency and derives no real pleasure from it (certainly not to the same extent he does the women he stalks), hence the girl’s brother, and I believe
he’d have quite happily beaten loyalist guy to death given the opportunity, but Katie didn’t fit his profile, plus if he killed her he would be effectively shitting on his own doorstep.

Same with the necking couple, they weren’t his ‘type’ and it wasn’t expedient to kill them (because if he kills them he has more bodies to hide, or else he draws the police right to him). Despite his protestations that he has no empathy he clearly loves his daughter, and whilst I did fear he’d killed Rose Stagg’s daughter it would have felt like a departure from his pathology (though again if she’d reacted differently to him I think he’d have been prepared to kill her).

As for Rose, well he knew her, had been intimate with her and hadn’t been able to kill her before (although that may have simply been because he wasn’t ready to take that final step then). She was a real person to him, like his wife and his daughter, plus I think he wanted to keep her alive as a bargaining chip.

As for Stella, well again she isn’t his type, although he had become fixated on her, plus I think he enjoyed the notion of outwitting her. I doubt he’d have been more inclined to kill if the pathologist had been there, probably less so as he’s smart enough to realise two people are harder to take down than one alone. Maybe if the older cop hadn’t gone to her room he might have, we’ll never know.
 
Got a recommendation to watch The Fall a while ago (I think I heard about it on The X-Files Files podcast, too).

I'm a bit bummed that it's not out on Blu-ray, I've become somewhat snobbish when it comes to paying for sub-HD content.
 
Got a recommendation to watch The Fall a while ago (I think I heard about it on The X-Files Files podcast, too).

I'm a bit bummed that it's not out on Blu-ray, I've become somewhat snobbish when it comes to paying for sub-HD content.

If Netflix is available to you, its probably still free for the 1st month. You can check out "The Fall" and then "Orange is the New Black" before the free month expires. :mallory:

Little things I've noticed on the season 1 & 2 rewatch.

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Sarah Kay (Victim # 3) and her friend the male lawyer who represented the bad guy that Detective Inspector Olsen arrested (before spending a few lovely hours with Stella) both worked for Beacon & Day Solicitors.

Michael Day, of Beacon & Day was the unlucky man who failed to pick up the pathologist at the bar. You remember him... :alienblush:

Day: :scream: "I am not the waiter."
Gibson: "Then why are you standing there?" :p

It calls into question why (besides the obvious :rolleyes: ) he approached the Doctor in the first place, especially since despite his "line" to the contrary, he knew exactly who she was. "Professor Reed Smith" AKA the person who did the autopsy on my junior associate.

Speaking of the obvious, upon reviewing season 1, I noticed the dumpy, overweight female brunette detective was in a sense replaced in season 2 by a "more comely," much thinner brunette. At first I thought they just recast the character, but you still see the season 1 brunette in the conference table scenes in season 2, she just doesn't have any lines and doesn't go out with the mustachioed detective on calls anymore. It's an "Obvious" replacement because the audience would never consider season 1's brunette to be tempting to either Stella or Paul and in season 2 it looks like Stella is interested (sitting down on the couch, reaching over to slowly take the hair pins from the brunette's bun) before we realize WHY Stella's interested. ;)

Everyone notice how Stella's hotel room was upgraded from the Hilton to an "Elegant" Belfast Hotel... at least that's what they called it in the newspaper article Paul handed wee Katie Bendetto when he was explaining who Gibson was in the investigation. I think they did it just to give Paul somewhere to hide when her "date" with Reed went bust.

Going back to Dr. Reed Smith, in season 1 we learn she has at least 2 daughters... but do we know if she's still married? Stella can claim she didn't know about Olsen's family connections, but I doubt she can make the same claim about Reed. If she is married and if Stella is kissing her romantically in a public place, then its pretty insensitive of Stella to say "so what" when Reed says Mr. Day knows who she (Reed) is and most likely who Stella is. And if all Stella wants is a "no strings roll in the hay", why when Stella learned Reed went to Rose Stagg's home to "talk" with the husband, was she upset? Was Stella merely worried about a "colleague" mixing the a potential suspect/spouse of a victim... or was she jealous because the "girl from Croydon" turned HER down? :vulcan:

Did you know when you google "I grew up in Croydon"... you get a slew of links to posts asking what the heck that line means and how crazy Reed was to turn down Gibson! :cardie: I loved the comment (where?) that claimed KALINDA (Archie's character from the "The Good Wife") would NEVER have turned Stella down! :rommie: :drool: :guffaw:

Olsen was shot in season 1 and was found to be involved with Aaron Monroe and his gangster businesses. Olson's partner Breedlove shot himself in front of DS Eastwood rather than admit to his Monroe connections and his affair with Olsen's wife.

DS Eastwood was prevented in season 1 from arresting Aaron by Jim Burns, Jim then warned the daddy since daddy sits on the police commission and Burns thought he could leverage that warning into more support for his police plans. Eastwood confronted Burns at the end of season 1 and called him a COWARD then. Burns did not melt down, however, until 13 (?) days later in season 2 in Stella's hotel room. We had heard an aside in a previous season 2 scene that Daddy Monroe was in the hospital and in ep 3 Jim was bemoaning the fact that Aaron had returned and was arrested trying to kill his daddy in the hospital. Why did the son try to do that you ask? One assumes all the Crack that went up Aaron's nose in season 1 had disconnected him from reality. :lol:

I loved Gibson's later response to Jim's fears that Spector overheard him confess his concerns that Aaron would out him with Detective Eastwood. "Oh forget your private embarrassment for a minute... I'm pretty sure you referred to Spector by name." :bolian: Remember, Stella has a whole journal of "private" thoughts which have been read by a serial killer. And despite that embarrassment she still did not hesitate in calling in her CSI team to disrupt her life and trash her privacy, all to catch a killer. Jim could learn a thing or two from her, if he tried.

At the end of episode 3, season 2... after Reed "pried" into Stella's personal life with Olsen, after Stella tried to get the (married mother of 2?) into bed, after Jim tried to do the same albeit much more aggressively to Stella, we hear Jim talk about a fall from grace. About a priest who was a pedophile that Jim arrested years ago. We hear about all the young lives the priest had ruined in one form or another and Jim asks a question. Was Paul Spector just another ruined boy, more "fallout" from that priest's original fall from grace?

Falling from grace made me think of the 2nd season 2 ep, when Stella put her hand into Reed's so Reed could check out her nails. "Not very sharp" noted the doctor and Stella sighed... "Not anymore".

What was Stella's fall from grace? She confessed too readily to Jim about nearly crossing the line with Reed, so it can't be that. We know something happened with her father, but when? What? Will we ever know? And why did she start filing down those nails, why did she "pull in her claws?"

Will those answers be in series 3 or 4?

Inquiring minds want to know... and I'd prefer if we didn't have to wait another 17 months to find out. :cool:
 
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Got a recommendation to watch The Fall a while ago (I think I heard about it on The X-Files Files podcast, too).

I'm a bit bummed that it's not out on Blu-ray, I've become somewhat snobbish when it comes to paying for sub-HD content.

The Fall or X-Files?

In the UK, The Fall at least (both seasons) are out on Blu but I don't know if they're region locked:(
 
Got a recommendation to watch The Fall a while ago (I think I heard about it on The X-Files Files podcast, too).

I'm a bit bummed that it's not out on Blu-ray, I've become somewhat snobbish when it comes to paying for sub-HD content.

The Fall or X-Files?

In the UK, The Fall at least (both seasons) are out on Blu but I don't know if they're region locked:(
Cool, thanks for the heads-up! Last time I checked on Amazon UK a couple of months ago it wasn't available on Blu-ray yet.

Region locking isn't an issue as the UK and Germany are both in Region B.
 
JanewayRulz!, who is Shelia?

ACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cardie: :cardie: :cardie:

I must have had a ministroke when I wrote that. :rolleyes:

STEEELLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bolian:

ETA: I went back and forth between names so many times that it took 4 tries to expunge all the "Sheilas" from the post. :sigh:
 
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When it comes out on this side of the pond I'm going to have to buy this series on dvd .

Here's some mini interviews and deleted scenes from season 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7599qpJo3I

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7599qpJo3I[/yt]

And here's some season 1 "behind the scenes" stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LakeaNcgKcA

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LakeaNcgKcA[/yt]

Oh gawd... this was funny!!! :guffaw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n76eQxhRtvo

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n76eQxhRtvo[/yt]
 
Cool, thanks for the heads-up! Last time I checked on Amazon UK a couple of months ago it wasn't available on Blu-ray yet.

Region locking isn't an issue as the UK and Germany are both in Region B.

Good news then. I wasn't sure where you were:)

For fans further afield, I had a quick look on bluray.com and they didn't seem to know yet. According to the BBC shop, season 2 seems to be regions A-B-C, but for season 1, they only list region 2:confused:
For the dvd versions, they're both listed as region 2 only
 
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