Generations Question: Did Soren...

[Photoman15]

Why did Soren chose the words he did when he startled Picard in 10-Forward. Did he have something to do with Robert and Rene's fiery demise?

 

[NL-Inkslinger]

In my opinion, no. Soran's race (El Aurian) is extremely perceptive. He sensed that Picard had a loss recently and chose those particular words (awesome quote too) to win access to the Armagosa station.

 

[Augustus]

What did he say exactly??

 

[fennrysha]

"Time is the fire in which we burn"

 

[tharpdevenport]

In which, after Picard's expression was noted, he added, "I know you understand..."

 

[Trekker4747]

I think it was just coincidental. El Aurians as I recall were never shown to have greatly telepathic "powers" but were just preceptive and good listeners.

Even if Soren could perceive that Picard had recently suffered a close loss he'd have no way of perceiving that loss having anything to do with fire. Soren just had a flair for dramatic and choose an unfortuante set of words to confront Picard.

 

[Timo]

Yet Soran could also have been pulling his con man routine with a number of E-D personnel before confronting Picard. He could have gained a few leads to follow, as rumors no doubt travel at warp speed aboard starships...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Kpnuts]

I think it was just coincidental. El Aurians as I recall were never shown to have greatly telepathic "powers" but were just preceptive and good listeners.

Even if Soren could perceive that Picard had recently suffered a close loss he'd have no way of perceiving that loss having anything to do with fire. Soren just had a flair for dramatic and choose an unfortuante set of words to confront Picard.

No way was it concidental! Come on, watch the scene again.

Time is the FIRE in which we burn. I know YOU understand...

Of course he knew about Picard's loss.

 

[Trekker4747]

I think it was just coincidental. El Aurians as I recall were never shown to have greatly telepathic "powers" but were just preceptive and good listeners.

Even if Soren could perceive that Picard had recently suffered a close loss he'd have no way of perceiving that loss having anything to do with fire. Soren just had a flair for dramatic and choose an unfortunate set of words to confront Picard.

No way was it coincidental! Come on, watch the scene again.

Time is the FIRE in which we burn. I know YOU understand...

Of course he knew about Picard's loss.

Doesn't make sense for him to know. There's almost no way he could know.

It was just a coincidence, a poor choice of words. "I know YOU understand," is just his way of telling Picard he should know time is precious and his time is running out.

Look at it this way. Soren wants Picard to allow him back on the space station. Now Soren is quite mad, but not mad enough to believe that Picard will be willing to give in to Soren after he makes crude statements regarding recent personal and deep losses to Picard.

I never got the feeling Soren knew, he just made an unfortunate choice of words.

 

[sonak]

I think it's meant to imply that Soren knows specifically because of his prior experience in the Nexus, with it's "outside of time" knowledge that it imparted.
I think this is mentioned in either the comic or novel adaptation.



Very cool scene.

 

[Timo]

Time is the FIRE in which we burn. I know YOU understand...

That's classic con man talk, really. First the conner (fortune teller, whatever) sprouts a lot of nonsense using exotic words and expressions. Then, when something creates a reaction (in this case, Picard cringes at the use of the word "fire"), the conner immediately responds in a way that makes it look as if this particular bit of his nonsense actually was intentional, knowledgeable, indeed paranormally preceptive. Anything between 10% and 90% of the con man's lines hit completely off the mark, as all the lines are purely random, but the ones that are off the mark are quickly forgotten when the con man starts to extrapolate on the one line that did hit the mark.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Trekker4747]

Time is the FIRE in which we burn. I know YOU understand...

That's classic con man talk, really. First the conner (fortune teller, whatever) sprouts a lot of nonsense using exotic words and expressions. Then, when something creates a reaction (in this case, Picard cringes at the use of the word "fire"), the conner immediately responds in a way that makes it look as if this particular bit of his nonsense actually was intentional, knowledgeable, indeed paranormally preceptive. Anything between 10% and 90% of the con man's lines hit completely off the mark, as all the lines are purely random, but the ones that are off the mark are quickly forgotten when the con man starts to extrapolate on the one line that did hit the mark.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Interesting thoughts on this.

 

[cultcross]

Time is the FIRE in which we burn. I know YOU understand...

That's classic con man talk, really. First the conner (fortune teller, whatever) sprouts a lot of nonsense using exotic words and expressions. Then, when something creates a reaction (in this case, Picard cringes at the use of the word "fire"), the conner immediately responds in a way that makes it look as if this particular bit of his nonsense actually was intentional, knowledgeable, indeed paranormally preceptive. Anything between 10% and 90% of the con man's lines hit completely off the mark, as all the lines are purely random, but the ones that are off the mark are quickly forgotten when the con man starts to extrapolate on the one line that did hit the mark.

Timo Saloniemi

That's pretty much how I interpreted the scene. Nicely put