Enterprise-J future thoughts and questions
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As has been mentioned, the Enterprise-J is from an alternate future where the Sphere Builders expanded the Expanse from the 22nd century to the 26th. So every Enterprise built after the NX-01 would have been a different ship than the Enterprises from the prime timeline. Since the Enterprise-J resembles a futuristic version of the NX-01, all of the other Enterprises from nil to I probably resembled the NX-01 as well (and probably didn’t last long since there was continuous war between the Federation and the Sphere Builders from the 22nd century onwards.)
Also remember that in the prime timeline, there was an 84 year gap between the decommissioning of the NX-01 and the construction of the TOS Enterprise. In the Enterprise-J timeline, that would have been different.
Remember, as per Voyager's "Relativity" they merge duplicates/alternates of time travellers so it's possible he's a hybrid of the Daniels of the previous timeline and the new.
I wonder now whether the expanse that we see throughout Season 3 and the one seen in the J future are the same at different sizes, or the Sphere Builders actually started their invasion later in the J future. The reason I like this idea is that it explains why the Federation did nothing about the growing expanse for 400 years: it didn't exist. It also allows a similar but different future to the real timeline to take place for several hundred years, explaining why there was also an NCC-1701 called Enterprise at some point (since the J is named after that ship and not NX-01) and how similar events could explain design lineage like the Nova-class, Prometheus-class and the Dauntless showing up at the Battle of Procyon V. I guess this idea depends on how long it takes to grow the expanse to "50000 light years in all directions". Maybe they used way more spheres in the J future.
While this exact future was erased due to the sphere network being destroyed, there's no reason the Sphere Builders couldn't try again and for there to be a Battle of Procyon V in the Prime Universe's 26th Century with a similar looking Enterprise-J taking part in it.
The J should be the center of an animated series. Deep in the future in a far away galaxy, all species introduced so far plus many many more. coming in contact with a wildly out there aliens far beyond live action capabilities.
I think it is important to remember that the E-J we saw in season 3 of Enterprise was from an alternate timeline. So any actually E-J that exists/existed (and I prefer to think that there was one) could look very different.
I do like the "Universe class" (the E-J's class) we saw...but just not as the Enterprise J. Because it's really just a furute version of the NX class, not of the later versions of Enterprise.
And it's possible that in the future they revive older general hull configurations, I mean, just look at how the Akira class has design elements of the "younger" NX class (in reality, of course, the Akira came first, and it's design was modified into the NX when the ship designers ran out of ideas or something.)
But as it bypasses the later style/lineage of the 1701 enterprises, I prefer something more like this design, as it sports the 2 hull configuration of the previous 1701 Enterprises - so maybe in the Prime timeline, we could get an E-J that looks more like this:
Of course, it's in reality just the Altair class (an earlier rejected Voyager design, I think) with a Universe-type saucer mounted on top:
I wouldn't want them to discard the Universe class type all together, but in my head I prefer to think of it as a having a similar relationship to the ship design on top, and the Miranda class has to the Constitution class, or the Nebula class has to the Galaxy class...
I would even include the Altair class, as a straight up combat ship, but without the need to keep dropping a huge saucer section every time it's about to go into battle. Sort of like if somebody built just a Galaxy class stardrive section for purposes of fighting the Borg and the Dominion..
My only issue with all these ships is that they look too flat, and most of those windows on the saucer section would actually be pointing straight up, so they'd be more like skylights than windows.
Maybe a higher resolution version of the ship would correct that problem, as I understand that the E-J used in Enterprise was created in a hurry, at a low rez.
I'm also wondering about it's size. Those low-detail windows and surface features give it the impression (to me) of being larger than it actually is supposed to be. Which is about this size...(and not the miles long it appears in my mind.)
I do like the "Universe class" (the E-J's class) we saw...but just not as the Enterprise J. Because it's really just a furute version of the NX class, not of the later versions of Enterprise.
And it's possible that in the future they revive older general hull configurations, I mean, just look at how the Akira class has design elements of the "younger" NX class (in reality, of course, the Akira came first, and it's design was modified into the NX when the ship designers ran out of ideas or something.)
But as it bypasses the later style/lineage of the 1701 enterprises, I prefer something more like this design, as it sports the 2 hull configuration of the previous 1701 Enterprises - so maybe in the Prime timeline, we could get an E-J that looks more like this:
Of course, it's in reality just the Altair class (an earlier rejected Voyager design, I think) with a Universe-type saucer mounted on top:
I wouldn't want them to discard the Universe class type all together, but in my head I prefer to think of it as a having a similar relationship to the ship design on top, and the Miranda class has to the Constitution class, or the Nebula class has to the Galaxy class...
I would even include the Altair class, as a straight up combat ship, but without the need to keep dropping a huge saucer section every time it's about to go into battle. Sort of like if somebody built just a Galaxy class stardrive section for purposes of fighting the Borg and the Dominion..
My only issue with all these ships is that they look too flat, and most of those windows on the saucer section would actually be pointing straight up, so they'd be more like skylights than windows.
Maybe a higher resolution version of the ship would correct that problem, as I understand that the E-J used in Enterprise was created in a hurry, at a low rez.
I'm also wondering about it's size. Those low-detail windows and surface features give it the impression (to me) of being larger than it actually is supposed to be. Which is about this size...(and not the miles long it appears in my mind.)
There was almost an animated Trek webseries called Final Frontier which would have featured a computer AI called M.A.J.E.L.
As in, Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, who voiced Trek computers right up to and including the 2009 reboot.
It really bothers me that the E-J is supposed to be miles across with skylights instead of Windows, yet the Altair class is scaled right down without changing the textures. Laaaaaaazy CG work.I think it is important to remember that the E-J we saw in season 3 of Enterprise was from an alternate timeline. So any actually E-J that exists/existed (and I prefer to think that there was one) could look very different.
I do like the "Universe class" (the E-J's class) we saw...but just not as the Enterprise J. Because it's really just a furute version of the NX class, not of the later versions of Enterprise.
And it's possible that in the future they revive older general hull configurations, I mean, just look at how the Akira class has design elements of the "younger" NX class (in reality, of course, the Akira came first, and it's design was modified into the NX when the ship designers ran out of ideas or something.)
But as it bypasses the later style/lineage of the 1701 enterprises, I prefer something more like this design, as it sports the 2 hull configuration of the previous 1701 Enterprises - so maybe in the Prime timeline, we could get an E-J that looks more like this:
Of course, it's in reality just the Altair class (an earlier rejected Voyager design, I think) with a Universe-type saucer mounted on top:
I wouldn't want them to discard the Universe class type all together, but in my head I prefer to think of it as a having a similar relationship to the ship design on top, and the Miranda class has to the Constitution class, or the Nebula class has to the Galaxy class...
I would even include the Altair class, as a straight up combat ship, but without the need to keep dropping a huge saucer section every time it's about to go into battle. Sort of like if somebody built just a Galaxy class stardrive section for purposes of fighting the Borg and the Dominion..
My only issue with all these ships is that they look too flat, and most of those windows on the saucer section would actually be pointing straight up, so they'd be more like skylights than windows.
Maybe a higher resolution version of the ship would correct that problem, as I understand that the E-J used in Enterprise was created in a hurry, at a low rez.
I'm also wondering about it's size. Those low-detail windows and surface features give it the impression (to me) of being larger than it actually is supposed to be. Which is about this size...(and not the miles long it appears in my mind.)
The New Frontier novels also had that idea with Majel as well. She goes mad though.
Yeah if you look at all the windows on the bump on the front of the Altair, there are obviously multiple decks there...so would have to be WAY bigger than that Galaxy saucer that it's in front of...
Here are some better, more detailed, renderings of the Universe class.
This first one I can't download, so it's here: https://www.deviantart.com/kurumi-morishita/art/Universe-Class-003-683742463
And here's one I found already on imgur:
Both of these images make the E-J looks like a small city in space. But none really solve the window-skylight issue.
This first one I can't download, so it's here: https://www.deviantart.com/kurumi-morishita/art/Universe-Class-003-683742463
And here's one I found already on imgur:
Both of these images make the E-J looks like a small city in space. But none really solve the window-skylight issue.
Here are some better, more detailed, renderings of the Universe class.
This first one I can't download, so it's here: https://www.deviantart.com/kurumi-morishita/art/Universe-Class-003-683742463
And here's one I found already on imgur:
Both of these images make the E-J looks like a small city in space. But none really solve the window-skylight issue.
Gorgeous!
What if they aren't skylights or windows on the hull, but solariums to really take in the view...or grow trees and grass for air? And they can be raised multiple storeys in height. A ship like the J should incorporate as many natural elements as possible to balance out the vast holographic and artificial environments for maximum health.
I would love to see a Star Trek series incorporating this ship as it explores a distant galaxy where everything is new.
It's worth pointing out that the model there isn't quite from the episode, where it's only briefly seen as a computer graphic. The one we see everywhere and that Eaglemoss merchandised was one made/modified afterwards to sell calendars.
I see it as one of several possible timelines, not necessarily likely to come to pass on screen. So much meddling has been done by time travelers that there have likely been various alterations to the original story.
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