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Element 115 and Star Trek?

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Does anyone know or has anyone heard of Element 115 being mentioned in any Star Trek episode.
I'm told that it is in a 1968 version of star trek but that doesn't seem to be the case. I've been through all the transcripts of these episodes for the entire year and there's no mention of it.
Does anyone remember hearing about element 115 in Star Trek?
 
There are many ficitional substances, including elements, in various Star Trek productions. I certainly can't remember which fictional substances were said to be compounds and whch were said to be elements, and which were not specified.

.Everyone should remember from school that there are about 115 chemcial elements in real life, and that the heaviest elments are not found naturally on Earth or most other locations in the Universe, but have to synthicized in laboratories where they usually decay in split seconds.

So it is a question to resarch whether there is a real element 115 and whther it was known when TOS was made in the 1960s.

According to this Wikipedia list, there are 118 known elements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chemical_elements

Element Moscovium was named after the location of the lab where it was first synthicized.

Moscovium is a synthetic element with the symbol Mc and atomic number 115. It was first synthesized in 2003 by a joint team of Russian and American scientists at the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia. In December 2015, it was recognized as one of four new elements by the Joint Working Party of international scientific bodies IUPAC and IUPAP. On 28 November 2016, it was officially named after the Moscow Oblast, in which the JINR is situated.[7][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium

The last three elements discovered before TOS were 102 Nobelium, 103 Lawrencium, and 104 Rutherfordium. 105 Dubnium was discovered in 1968 and 1970. 104 Seaborgium was discovered in 1974.

All elements beginning with 95 Americium have been discovered by being synthicized, since they decay rapidly and aren't found in nature on Earth. Of course they might be created by supernova explosions, but their half lives are probably so short that a starship would have to capture them during the supernova to collect a good amount. They shouldn't be fundon eaven the newest planets or asteroids.

And there are discussions of theorectical "islands of stability", heavy elements that might b emuch more stable than the elements which have been synthicized so far. So there is a slight possibility that there could be more or less natural elements heavier than Plutonium to be found in a science fiction context.

Actually the real elment 115, Moscovium, is theorised to have some isotopes in an "island of stability"

Moscovium is expected to be within an island of stability centered on copernicium (element 112) and flerovium (element 114).[61][62] Due to the expected high fission barriers, any nucleus within this island of stability exclusively decays by alpha decay and perhaps some electron capture and beta decay.[2] Although the known isotopes of moscovium do not actually have enough neutrons to be on the island of stability, they can be seen to approach the island as in general, the heavier isotopes are the longer-lived ones.[6][43]

The heaviest isotope of Moscovium produced so far, 290 MC, has a half life of only 650 ms. 650 ms is 0.650 of a second. I guess some theoretical isotopes of Moscovium might possibly have half lifes long enough to be mentioned in a Star Trek episode.

Moscovium was offiically named in 2016, so it would have had to have been mentioned under a fictional name in a TOS episode. And maybe it was called "element 115", or someone said that there were 115 known elments, or something.

Here are links to list of fictional substances in Star Trek.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_materials

https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/10191430

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Elements

This site might also help:

https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/index-info.htm
 
.Everyone should remember from school that there are about 115 chemcial elements in real life
At the time the original series was being produced, it was rare to see any periodic table which went beyond 102 or 103 (and never at the grade school or high school level.)

So it is a question to resarch whether there is a real element 115 and whther it was known when TOS was made in the 1960s.
It wasn't.

There. Much more concise.
 
I've resolved this now.

The reason I've asked is that Bob Lazar claimed to have worked on Alien Spacecraft at Area 51, and claimed that those spacecraft were fueled by element 115.
-Bob Lazar was a Star Trek fan.
Back when Star Trek gave element 115 a name, it hadn't been synthesized so Start Trek just gave it a name
'Algobarium'. In the Star Trek medical manual Algobarium is said to be element 115 on the periodic table Star Trek provides. It wasn't until much later that a real name was given to it (in real life), yes, named after the joint Russian-US lab where it was synthesized = 'Moscovium'.

The Star Trek name 'Algobarium' was mentioned in a 1968 episode of Star Trek Elaan of Troyius. Chapel mentions it by using it's Star Trek name 'Algobarium'.

So there it is, now you have all the information.
 
The Star Trek name 'Algobarium' was mentioned in a 1968 episode of Star Trek Elaan of Troyius. Chapel mentions it by using it's Star Trek name 'Algobarium'.
Quite correct. The line is, "Test number twenty four: colladium trioxide in algobarium solution."

Colladium is element 114 in the same Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual, by the way.
 
The element with Z=115 crops up in UFO discussions as it was popularised by Bob Lazar.

Does the Real Element 115 Have a Connection With UFOs? | HowStuffWorks

I've never heard it mentioned in relation to Star Trek.
Algobarium is mentioned in Star Trek as per my post. At the time it was listed in the Star Trek medical manual as element 115. Of course the makers of Star Trek could link it with any name they liked because at that time element 115 had not been synthesized. That didn't happen until much later.
I suppose Bob Lazar cleverly knew this so he chose something which hadn't been made in 1989 so nobody could question it's authenticity. Bob Lazar also admitted that he was a Star Trek fan.
 
Algobarium is mentioned in Star Trek as per my post. At the time it was listed in the Star Trek medical manual as element 115. Of course the makers of Star Trek could link it with any name they liked because at that time element 115 had not been synthesized. That didn't happen until much later.
No, the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual was published almost ten years after "Elaan of Troyius" aired. It was written by fans, not the makers of Star Trek. The identification of algobarium as element 115 is non-canonical, and it was not intended when "Elaan" was made.
 
Algobarium is mentioned in Star Trek as per my post. At the time it was listed in the Star Trek medical manual as element 115. Of course the makers of Star Trek could link it with any name they liked because at that time element 115 had not been synthesized. That didn't happen until much later.
I suppose Bob Lazar cleverly knew this so he chose something which hadn't been made in 1989 so nobody could question its authenticity. Bob Lazar also admitted that he was a Star Trek fan.
Yeah, although algobarium is non-canon, of course. It seems Bob Lazar knew about islands of stability. Add enough neutrons to muscovium by the r- or s-processes and one of its isotopes might well turn out to be relatively stable. Whether it would have the properties that Lazar claims seems doubtful.
 
Yeah, although algobarium is non-canon, of course.

The name itself comes from canon; McCoy mentions an algobarium solution in "Elaan of Troyius." But the Medical Reference Manual's identification of it as the name of a transuranic chemical element is conjectural. If anything, it sounds more like the name of some kind of compound containing barium, although the prefix "algo-" doesn't make sense there, since it means "pertaining to pain" (same root as "neuralgia" for nerve pain). Although it could potentially be taken to mean barium derived from seaweed/algae. (EDIT: This page suggests it's a barium-based pain medication.)

That was one thing that annoyed me about the MRM -- the way it assumed that every chemical substance mentioned in TOS had to be a pure element rather than a compound. Even when their names had suffixes inconsistent with pure elements, like indurite or kironide (which are more likely to be chemical compounds). They even include corbomite, missing the point that it was a nonsense word Kirk made up.
 
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No, the Star Fleet Medical Reference Manual was published almost ten years after "Elaan of Troyius" aired. It was written by fans, not the makers of Star Trek. The identification of algobarium as element 115 is non-canonical, and it was not intended when "Elaan" was made.
Maybe so, but the point is that Bob Lazar told his story in 1989 long after the medical manual was created. Linking Algobarium to Element 115 has obviously occurred when that medical manual was made. Clearly no link was made in 'Elaan' they just say 'Algobarium' .
 
Maybe so, but the point is that Bob Lazar told his story in 1989 long after the medical manual was created. Linking Algobarium to Element 115 has obviously occurred when that medical manual was made. Clearly no link was made in 'Elaan' they just say 'Algobarium' .

The point is, you previously said: "Algobarium is mentioned in Star Trek as per my post. At the time it was listed in the Star Trek medical manual as element 115." By your own statement here, the "at the time" is incorrect, because it wasn't listed that way in the manual until nearly a decade after the name was coined in the episode.

Also, why are you tying any of it to this Lazar guy? As far as I can tell, he never called element 115 "algobarium." There's no reason to think he was drawing on Trek, because 115 is just one element number out of many, and Trek itself never mentioned it. Naturally, any work of fiction that speculates about undiscovered transuranic elements is going to include numbers including and beyond 115 in its expanded periodic table. There's no reason to single out the MRM, which is just one example of the practice, and a rather sloppily handled one at that.
 
Transperiodic elements as I recall from novels.

That's an ill-conceived term for them, because they're not beyond the periodic table, they're just expansions of it. No element will ever be "transperiodic," because the periodicity of elements' chemical properties is built into the nature of the electron shell configurations. New elements will simply continue the periodic cycle.

The proper term is transuranic or transuranium elements, because uranium is the heaviest element stable enough to occur naturally (aside from neptunium and plutonium, which occur only in trace quantities and mostly have to be artificially synthesized).
 
Going in the other direction, should element 0 - neutronium - be on the Periodic Table if the tetraneutron is shown to exist in addition to the lone neutron? Not all elements have stable isotopes, and a free neutron has a half-life of about 600 seconds. It has been estimated that a tetraneutron could have a half-life of the order of 10^−9s. Of course, it cannot have any bound electrons and it's the electrons that largely determine chemical properties of an element (nuclear inertial mass does have a small effect on the chemistry of the isotopes of an element - heavy water is mildly toxic, for example, and can lead to death eventually due to accumulated tissue damage).

Four neutrons together momentarily | Nature
 
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I think by “transperiodic” it means they have, perhaps, some reach into subspace, interacting in such a way normal matter doesn’t.

Even though the old term “contraterrene” was synonymous with anti-matter, I would expand that definition to include strangelets/mirror matter, etc.

In real life, it is thought that two strange quark nugget actually passed through the Earth in 1993–their passage noted by linear earthquakes researched by SMU:

http://www.geology.smu.edu/~dpa-www/sqm/index.html
https://www.science.org/content/article/strange-quakes-strange-quarks
https://www.wired.com/2003/02/matter/amp

https://phys.org/news/2022-09-team-physicists-pentaquark-states.html
Theorists at the University of Pittsburgh and Swansea University have shown that recent experimental results from the CERN collider give strong evidence for a new form of matter.

I might at least call that contra-terrene, if not transperiodic-the latter term used to define things that can’t easily be replicated.
 
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