Effective Anti-Borg Weapon
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The Federation already has force-fields capable of repelling kinetic energy, and already has transport inhibitors that can prevent beaming within a given area. You think the Borg can't adapt their drones' personal energy shields to deal with teleported bullets?
There's a much easier way to adapt to physical attacks: retractable armor plating. Easy for Borg nanites to do this for Drones.
Hell, the Renegade Borg from "Descent" seemed to have this to make up for their lost adaptive powers: The Phaser shots seem to spark off their armored bodies instead of the one-shot kills from Q Who? and BOBW.
Hell, the Renegade Borg from "Descent" seemed to have this to make up for their lost adaptive powers: The Phaser shots seem to spark off their armored bodies instead of the one-shot kills from Q Who? and BOBW.
I don't agree. Species 8472. If Janeway hadn't given the Borg the technology for the viral nanoprobes, the Borg would have been defeated. As it was, they were being seriously decimated with no sign of any measurable improvements. If a Borg cube is destroyed quickly enough, the information about what defeated it won't necessarily make it back to the collective for analysis and an alternate solution provided for the next attacking cube.
...That just calls for a new and improved type of Cube. Those are a bit slower to create than new types of Drone, so the Borg victory would have to wait for a bit longer...
That's incredibly lazy watching.
The Cube wasn't defeated simply by concentrating fire. It wasn't destroyed by concentrating fire on a weak spot, either - Borg ships don't have those. It was destroyed by concentrating fire on a specific spot at a specific time! Picard had to wait for his moment, allowing several starships to die in the meantime, until the ever-shifting vitalities of the Cube happened to crete a temporary vulnerability at one spot. Only a true insider could have provided the victory.
I guess that sort fo a trick could work repeatedly, too. Double agents are probably rare in the Collective. And while there may be standard procedures for dealing with those, the failure of the procedures in the ST:FC case gives some hope...
Timo Saloniemi
That's incredibly lazy watching.
The Cube wasn't defeated simply by concentrating fire. It wasn't destroyed by concentrating fire on a weak spot, either - Borg ships don't have those. It was destroyed by concentrating fire on a specific spot at a specific time! Picard had to wait for his moment, allowing several starships to die in the meantime, until the ever-shifting vitalities of the Cube happened to crete a temporary vulnerability at one spot. Only a true insider could have provided the victory.
I guess that sort fo a trick could work repeatedly, too. Double agents are probably rare in the Collective. And while there may be standard procedures for dealing with those, the failure of the procedures in the ST:FC case gives some hope...
Timo Saloniemi
Canon schmanon. TNG, DS9 or VOY will NEVER return to cinemas or television EVER AGAIN, so the uncanon novels are all that is left. There will be no movie, no episode that will feature the Borg from the "Prime Universe". And Destiny is official, and all future novels are going to adhere to it.
But for how long will the novels adhere??
The newest novels have no continuity with the older ones, so saying that Destiny's plotline will persist "forever" is madness. At some point in the future Destiny and the other "re-launchies" will be a thing of the past. Which will be just fine with some of us.
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The ultimate anti-Borg weapon is intelligence, Data figuring how to put the Borg to sleep, Picard knowing to fire at the cube's sweet-spot.
The realization that the Queen (or Queens) is a linchpin would be a important piece of intelligence. Picard was able to remove a piece of equipment from the body of one of his assimilated crewmen, connect it to a tricorder and discover the plan to turn the deflector into a beacon. The Federation should be trying to listen in on the Borg, jam their communications, insert false commands.
Makes no real difference, because you can say the same for TV episodes and movies, even though they are "canon" (canon vs. continuity).
My point is that the canon vs. uncanon debate for TNG/DS9/VOY and ENT is especially pointless since the only official continuation is the tie-in novels. If you only want to adhere to canon, then it stops with Voyager destroying the Borg and returning home. It is not canon that the Borg survived the events of Endgame, since nothing that came after it confirmed or denied it. In that case, the only effective (and canon
) weapon against the Borg is the pathogen Future Janeway developed. 
Hang on I am a little confused here
So what the orgininal poster is saying that only weapons that use a pyhiscal projectile can penetrate because shields can not stop objects with a mass but rather weapons with well, pure energy like a laser right??? is this true can they only stop energy weapons?? because I always thought they could do both
but what about force fields that can stop a human from moving about and escaping, effectively used to trap people, can't you somehow adapt that as a shield to stop projectile weapons etc
So what the orgininal poster is saying that only weapons that use a pyhiscal projectile can penetrate because shields can not stop objects with a mass but rather weapons with well, pure energy like a laser right??? is this true can they only stop energy weapons?? because I always thought they could do both
but what about force fields that can stop a human from moving about and escaping, effectively used to trap people, can't you somehow adapt that as a shield to stop projectile weapons etc
So that is really what was going on? That still doesn't explain how after 3+ hours of attacking the Cube hasnt adapted to photon torpedoes yet -_-
They deal most of their damage by kinetic and explosive energy. Because the Borg aren't totally immune to this damage, and have assimilated thousands of races, it could be that adaptation does not offer total immunity.
In that case, Starfleet would simply need to Zerg Rush the Borg if they found their new tactics and technologies developed since the last encounter to be inadequate.
The Borg do know how to defeat photon torpedoes - they knew this in "Q Who?" already, so that even the very first torpedo ever fired against them by a Federation ship was a complete dud. That was apparently because they got its specs in advance by sending over that spying little Drone...
Probably a volley from a dozen starships would create only minimal damage in all other spots, but would create results in that particular spot Picard pointed out. It wasn't much - a tiny hole carved on the side of the Cube, when the phasers of a single ship in "Q Who?" had carved equal-sized holes with single shots. But it was in the right place at the right time.
Simply concentrating fire will probably always be enough to defeat a small Borg ship. But no practical amount of fire will alone be sufficient for defeating a Cube, unless some sort of an additional special gimmick is used.
Timo Saloniemi
Probably a volley from a dozen starships would create only minimal damage in all other spots, but would create results in that particular spot Picard pointed out. It wasn't much - a tiny hole carved on the side of the Cube, when the phasers of a single ship in "Q Who?" had carved equal-sized holes with single shots. But it was in the right place at the right time.
Simply concentrating fire will probably always be enough to defeat a small Borg ship. But no practical amount of fire will alone be sufficient for defeating a Cube, unless some sort of an additional special gimmick is used.
Timo Saloniemi
