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DS9: Redefined 2.0 - The Ultimate DS9 Upscale Project

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After the DS9: Redefined DVD upscale was nearly completed, the LaserDiscs of the first three seasons of Deep Space Nine and first four of Voyager were surprisingly discovered to have better video quality than their DVD (or digital) releases due to poor composite to component conversion. (Both shows' later seasons look better on DVD because production switched to component editing and DVD is a component format, whereas LaserDisc is composite.) So, these early seasons are now being redone from the ground up using digitized LaserDisc data captured directly from the RF signal via a Domesday Duplicator, which—along with combining the data from RF captures of multiple physical copies of each disc—ensures the highest quality unaltered presentation of Deep Space Nine and Voyager currently available to the public. These files will then be upscaled to high definition through a combination of artificial intelligence and extensive manual tweaking. "Emissary" and "Caretaker" are complete, with work underway to capture and upscale all 166 episodes (72 DS9 and 94 VOY) which look better on LaserDisc.

The American LaserDiscs used a better source than the Japanese LaserDiscs, but more episodes were released in Japan than America, so the ultimate upscale sources are American LaserDiscs for the first two-and-a-half seasons (through 3x14 - "Heart of Stone," plus 3x26 - "Adversary" from The Captains Collection), Japanese LaserDiscs for the last half of the third season (from 3x15 - "Destiny" through 3x25 - "Facets"), and American DVDs for the last four seasons of Deep Space Nine, and for Voyager, the American LaserDisc of "Caretaker," Japanese LaserDiscs for the rest of the first four seasons, and American DVDs for the last three seasons. Occasional hardcoded subtitles on the Japanese discs will be masked out with DVD information. (All PAL LD and DVD releases look and sound worse due to lossy conversion from NTSC to PAL.)

There's also a small side project to replace with superior LaserDisc upscales the few brief scenes badly upscaled from tape in a few episodes of the Next Generation remaster.

While nowhere near the quality that only a 35mm negative rescan could bring (as was done for the movies, The Original Series, The Next Generation, and twenty minutes of scenes from across all seven seasons of Deep Space Nine for the retrospective documentary What We Left Behind), this is the absolute best these two shows can look without an official remaster or future advances in upscaling technology.

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Yeah, the DVD colours seem more accurate to me.

Also I was curious, so I decided to compare the laserdisc footage with my actual DVDs and even with the Vimeo compression it still looks more detailed than the discs.
 
You can definitely notice more detail on the LaserDisc upscale, but to my eye there is just a bit too much of a green tint to the footage.
They're going to try combining LD and DVD data to achieve the most optimal balance, or they may adjust the green tint through other means.
 
After the DS9: Redefined DVD upscale was nearly completed, the LaserDiscs were surprisingly discovered to have better video quality than the poorly-mastered DVDs (or digital releases), so the project is now being redone from the ground up using digitized LaserDisc data captured directly from the RF signal via a Domesday Duplicator, which—along with combining the data from RF captures of three physical copies of each disc—ensures the highest quality unaltered presentation of Deep Space Nine currently available to the public. These files will then be upscaled to high definition through a combination of artificial intelligence and extensive manual tweaking (possibly with some unique information from the DVDs integrated, as well). "Emissary" and "Caretaker" are complete, with work underway to capture and upscale all episodes of both Deep Space Nine and Voyager available on LaserDisc (the first five seasons of each show). There's also a small side project to replace with superior LaserDisc upscales the few brief scenes badly upscaled from tape in two episodes of the Next Generation remaster.

This is the absolute best these two shows can look without an official remaster from film or future advances in upscaling technology.

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I'm floored how Laserdisc upscaled, despite a couple of telltale signs I'm not going to whine about for once, looks really good compared to the unedited/original bits. More detail than expected. Great job at moiré removal on the Borg cube, too, and that's huge! So many of these clips don't bother with moiré removal...

That said, I still need to channel one of my favorite college instructors and point out how telltale signs are still inevitable and generally easy to spot (there's a post in of itself), and resultingly they're not a patch on film neg/interpositive source scanning at proper HD resolution, especially given how detailed and lush DS9 sets and costumes could be (by far the most intricate, on all counts). There, I feel a little better now. :razz::guffaw: But that aside, there are moments of absolute wonder despite the telltale moments. (But Picard's cat toy laser stilllacks definition and the opening theme looks fairly waxy as well...)

Some skin tones are off (too green or too pink, which goes back to NTSC's other acronym of 'Never The Same Color', for which some of that was introduced in the editing room after scanning the films to VT back in 1993, especially if/when multiple machines were used to scan in so many film reels with to process. It's another reason to go back to the original negs consistently as there is no VT calibration or potentiometer that gets tweaked and the computer's automated color settings are generally uniform regardless. (Unless one segment of film had faded worse than another, there's a lovely thought, but I've not had any caffeine yet today, odd but true...)
 
It'd be nice to have the restored laserdisc footage without the upscaling, though it's impressive just how much work is being put into this.

If I were to guess, Topaz Video AI is being used. Possibly Handbrake and VirtualDub for some processes (VDub can color correct, do some image cleaning, etc), but Topaz 5 seems to do a far better job with deinterlacing that doing that from another process before rendering in Topaz seems pointless (never mind artifacting caused by deinterlaced "progressive interlaced" image, since blending two fields into a frame can be problematic at times, especially when trying to undo the sheer thrill of 3:2 pulldown, images of layered videotape fx where you hope the fields from both sources match up or else you get even more fun artifacting, etc...)
 
The Laserdisc footage does seem marginally sharper, but it also has evidence of artefacting suggestive of edge-sharpening tools.

There's clearly a lot of effort going into this, I just remain sceptical that it will ever be anything but an incremental improvement as long as the source material available to fans remains as it is. It also won't be available to most fans anyway.
 
resultingly they're not a patch on film neg/interpositive source scanning at proper HD resolution,
Yes, of course, current upscaling technology doesn't even approach HD film scans. The footage from What We Left Behind remains unmatched. Also, most of Deep Space Nine and possibly all of Voyager were shot with 16:9 widescreen protection, so they could easily be remastered in 16:9.

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Actually, even the seasons and shows that weren't shot with WP could potentially be released in widescreen (or full 35mm open matte, perfect for projectors and VR) someday once digital set extension and crew and equipment removal becomes economical.

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I just remain sceptical that it will ever be anything but an incremental improvement. It also won't be available to most fans anyway.
Upscaling technology will eventually be able to make a 480i source look completely indistinguishable from or even better than a 6K scan of 35mm film, although that's probably decades away. Expanding the aspect ratio with generative fill and automatic and even realtime conversion to 3D will also be possible (and already is to some extent with software such as Owl3D and CineUltra).
It also won't be available to most fans anyway.
Various upscales (such as Vertag's) have been widely available for years, and there are public workflows.
 
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Various upscales (such as Vertag's) have been widely available for years, and there are public workflows.
That's what I mean. If you are relying on copyright infringement or fans upscaling the episodes from their own source material, most won't ever bother.

Nothing would be as good as a ground-up remaster from the original camera negs, but I bet Paramount are waiting until they can get away with a "that'll do" minimum effort upscale.
 
That's what I mean. If you are relying on copyright infringement or fans upscaling the episodes from their own source material, most won't ever bother.
I consider upscales transformative fair use, especially if you own an official copy of the content.

There's also automatic realtime upscaling which continues to improve.
Nothing would be as good as a ground-up remaster from the original camera negs, but I bet Paramount are waiting until they can get away with a "that'll do" minimum effort upscale.
They are supposedly considering a true remaster.
 
I consider upscales transformative fair use, especially if you own an official copy of the content.

There's also automatic realtime upscaling which continues to improve.

They are supposedly considering a true remaster.
If you were just upscaling it for your own amusement and not distributing it, maybe. If you start distributing your upscaled version I'm not seeing how that could be fair use. Consider all of these factors:

Factor 1: The Purpose and Character of the Use

Factor 2: The Nature of the Copyrighted Work

Factor 3: The Amount or Substantiality of the Portion Used

Factor 4: The Effect of the Use on the Potential Market for or Value of the Work

 
If you were just upscaling it for your own amusement and not distributing it, maybe. If you start distributing your upscaled version I'm not seeing how that could be fair use. Consider all of these factors:[/URL]
I'm already familiar with all four factors. Fair use absolutely does not mean "no distribution." If fair use does indeed apply, then the new work can be distributed, and if a fan edit is substantial enough to be considered transformative, then it's fair use. The purpose of this project is to provide something which cannot currently be purchased now nor in the foreseeable future, so I consider it transformative fair use. Regardless, fanedits have existed for decades and are here to stay regardless of legal debates and technicalities, and there's certainly nothing unethical about viewing fanedits made by others if you own official copies of the works used.
 
Various upscales (such as Vertag's)

I know Vertag from, erm, another place I frequent. I very much appreciate his work. My question to you is, how does your upscale (from DVD source) compare with Vertag. Also, how do you find the LaserDisc upscale is compared to Vertag's upscale?

I found your site a while ago and I'm impressed and thankful for the effort you're putting in and the care you're taking.
 
I suspect if you uploaded full 4K DS9 episodes to YouTube they wouldn't last very long, and your "fair use" argument would fall on the deaf ears of Paramount's IP lawyers.
Oh, I'm sure they would, since corporations aggressively push the false narrative that fair use essentially doesn't even exist. YouTube automatically removes a great deal of fair use content, and Paramount, like most corporations, illegally tries to suppress fair use and gets away with it because they have billions. Grimes blurred the cover of an edition of Sun Tzu's The Art of War in her music video "Violence" (though it remains visible in a BTS video) because she was bullied by the publisher and caved immediately despite using books as props being protected as transformative fair use (as established for over a century). Stock photo agencies commit copyright fraud on a massive scale by illegally asserting copyright over public domain images. In reality, though, this project and distribution of it is transformative fair use.
I know Vertag from, erm, another place I frequent. I very much appreciate his work. My question to you is, how does your upscale (from DVD source) compare with Vertag. Also, how do you find the LaserDisc upscale is compared to Vertag's upscale?

I found your site a while ago and I'm impressed and thankful for the effort you're putting in and the care you're taking.
This isn't my project, but as you can see from the clips above, this upscale will have more detail than any other because it's the only one using the additional detail which exists only on LaserDisc.
 
This isn't my project, but as you can see from the clips above, this upscale will have more detail than any other because it's the only one using the additional detail which exists only on LaserDisc.

Ah, okay, for some reason I had the impression that it was your project. Not sure why I got that idea. Yeah, I was really looking for information on Vertag's upscale vs the upscale from DVD source that this project completed. I've no doubt the LaserDisc will give a worthwhile, though probably still marginal boost to the overall quality of the upscale.
 
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