this is the biggest thing that always turned me off to the Enterprise series. "original" has no place in a prequel by definition. and the TOS craft is the "origin" that Enterprise leads to, so of course its supposed to hint to that design.
Doug Drexler refits the NX-01
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this is the biggest thing that always turned me off to the Enterprise series. "original" has no place in a prequel by definition. and the TOS craft is the "origin" that Enterprise leads to, so of course its supposed to hint to that design.
* shrugs *
I suppose I'd disagree with that to a certain extent. It is good to hint at the pre-existing stuff in the prequel, naturally, but that doesn't mean you can't include originality as well. And I think unfortunately ENT suffered considerably from that, rather than taking advantage of the opportunities that existed to fill in that space.
^ i'll give you that.
i've never disliked enough of Ent to be critical, but i never really agreed with the events and circustances. its just seemed like they went to far, in that the plots and situations they created, how is it that none of these historic and epic events were ever heard of again?
that was my only beef really. ironically the NX is one of my favorite ships, probably in my top 3...
i've never disliked enough of Ent to be critical, but i never really agreed with the events and circustances. its just seemed like they went to far, in that the plots and situations they created, how is it that none of these historic and epic events were ever heard of again?
that was my only beef really. ironically the NX is one of my favorite ships, probably in my top 3...
Remember, Berman wanted to use the Akira class unchanged as the NX-01 Enterprise. Drexler and Zimmerman had to tag team to get design changed into what we got.
Yes. Because every single ship design used by Starfleet at any point in the history of Starfleet has been seen on-screen in TOS, TNG, VGR, ENT, TAS, and the first ten movies. So there is absolutely no possible chance whatsoever for this design to exist. Especially since it resembles something from That movie.
Yes. Because every single ship design used by Starfleet at any point in the history of Starfleet has been seen on-screen in TOS, TNG, VGR, ENT, TAS, and the first ten movies. So there is absolutely no possible chance whatsoever for this design to exist. Especially since it resembles something from That movie.
Let me be as clear as possible- it looks dirivitive of the JJ universe design. I don't like that.
If it were more similar to the original star trek universe, I may like it a little more. But in the end, retrofitting this ship like that is just plain silly.
I really have to scratch my head about this one. I can go from loving it to hating it and back within minutes. 
Really, as long as it took for Earth in ENT to get the NX Project up and running and to build the first NX class starship, then even more time to build a second, can you really see them turning around in just a few years and tearing apart Archer's Enterprise to "refit" its design? When would they have done this? Before the war with the Romulans? After? Given what the "original" NX-class design was supposed to be on its own merits, what would this newer version represent? Would it add some capabilities or fix some design flaws or something?
There are many things about ENTERPRISE that will still cause endless debate and controversy. My problem with it was that with the blue-glow nacelles and swept wings and the Akira-like look, NX-01 was way too TNG-ish.
(Surprise, surprise, eh?) But what I really did like about its design was they she was, in a strange way, a proto-Connie. You could see the similarity in the ships' lines especially when looking at them from behind. And the way ENT's makers presented her highlighted the STAR TREK starship concept from a different perspective, that being that Earth had never built a ship this "grand" before, even if she would be considered puny and anemic next to a Connie. 
This new image seems to throw all of that out the window, as if to say, "Okay, fans didn't like the Akiraprise. So let's try blending the NX-01 into a proto-Connie design."
Really, as long as it took for Earth in ENT to get the NX Project up and running and to build the first NX class starship, then even more time to build a second, can you really see them turning around in just a few years and tearing apart Archer's Enterprise to "refit" its design? When would they have done this? Before the war with the Romulans? After? Given what the "original" NX-class design was supposed to be on its own merits, what would this newer version represent? Would it add some capabilities or fix some design flaws or something?
There are many things about ENTERPRISE that will still cause endless debate and controversy. My problem with it was that with the blue-glow nacelles and swept wings and the Akira-like look, NX-01 was way too TNG-ish.
(Surprise, surprise, eh?) But what I really did like about its design was they she was, in a strange way, a proto-Connie. You could see the similarity in the ships' lines especially when looking at them from behind. And the way ENT's makers presented her highlighted the STAR TREK starship concept from a different perspective, that being that Earth had never built a ship this "grand" before, even if she would be considered puny and anemic next to a Connie. This new image seems to throw all of that out the window, as if to say, "Okay, fans didn't like the Akiraprise. So let's try blending the NX-01 into a proto-Connie design."
Actually I think it was the network executives who wanted an unchanged Akira, not Berman himself.
About the refit: Is it just me, or is the 'warp governor' (the low-slung object that was in between the nacelle struts) in a different place now? It looks like the nacelle struts have been lengthened, and the warp governor thus moved (now it looks like it's sitting on the secondary hull).
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No, I couldn't see them tearing apart NX-01 or NX-02.
I could, however, see the construction plans for further NX-class vessels being changed.
Well, according to Drexler himself, it would add a 3rd engine room (with the NX usually having a second unused engine room), essentially giving it more power. This would of course, tie in with TOS, where the Connie is implied to have multiple warp reactors - brute force by quantity perhaps still being the deciding factor in speed (until the Deco Dash engines get installed in TMP, anyways).
That, and a larger hanger deck which would allow for something a little beefier than a Honda Fit IN SPACE.
I like it. 
Definitely gives her some more interesting lines/angles now...
Cheers,
-CM-
Definitely gives her some more interesting lines/angles now... Cheers,
-CM-
Zardoz speaks.
Zardoz feels it would be unwise to judge this new refit until we have seen more of it. He feels that accusations of this new addition being inspired by the new soulless movie are unjustified given our limited vantage at this point.
Zardoz hopes the new addition does fit well with the existing design. Zardoz feels that the Atlantis mod he saw for the Starfleet Command game was a nice bridge between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701, as well as pleasing to the eye.
Zardoz has spoken.
Zardoz feels it would be unwise to judge this new refit until we have seen more of it. He feels that accusations of this new addition being inspired by the new soulless movie are unjustified given our limited vantage at this point.
Zardoz hopes the new addition does fit well with the existing design. Zardoz feels that the Atlantis mod he saw for the Starfleet Command game was a nice bridge between the NX-01 and the NCC-1701, as well as pleasing to the eye.
Zardoz has spoken.
Manticore pays for Zardoz to take grammar lessons.
Like he said though, I'm adopting a wait-and-see, though I'm initially favorable.
Wingsley speaks!
Would the Great Zardoz care to share a linky-poo to an image of the Atlantis?
Over and out...
Afraid I have to disagree...
In the TOS episode Balance Of Terror, Spock states that ship-to-ship visual communications had not yet been invented during the Romulan War, which was the reason no Human, Romulan or ally had ever seen the other. However, in Star Trek Enterprise (which began before the Romulan War) ship-to-ship visual communications already existed. This is evidence that the divergence between the original timeline and the new movie timeline happened before Star Trek Enterprise. It is also evidence that Star Trek Enterprise is part of the new movie timeline and not the original timeline...
Sure...
Just present some evidence that Star Trek Enterprise can't be compatible with either the original timeline or the new movie timeline...
