Does the Federation employee civilians

[MAGolding]

All those people we see in the background, not wearing uniforms are likely citizens...

Weird question, I think. Trillions across the Federation sitting around at home while the few serve in Starfleet....?? no

Probably more likely in the 100 billion range, tops.

I quote from DS9 "Statistical Probabilities":

BASHIR: It's inescapable. There's no way the Federation is going to be able beat the Dominion. We have no choice. We're going to have to surrender.

[Captain's office]

SISKO: Surrender to the Dominion. Not on my watch.
BASHIR: Sir, I understand how you feel. I don't like it any more than you do, but it's the best option. We've run dozens of different scenarios. Even if something unlikely were to happen tilting the scales in our favour, such as an anti-Dominion coup on Cardassia, we'll still lose this war.
SISKO: But that doesn't mean we should just give up and roll over.
BASHIR: If we fight, there will be over nine hundred billion casualties. If we surrender, no one dies. Either way we're in for five generations of Dominion rule. Eventually a rebellion will form, centring on Earth. It'll spread, and within another generation, they'll succeed in conquering the Dominion. The Alpha Quadrant will unite and a new, stronger Federation will rule for thousands of years. Since we can't win this war, why don't we save as many lives as we can? I know it's difficult to accept.

So if the Federation is projected to have over nine hundred billion casualties during the Dominion War, it should have a population considerably more then one hundred billion.

 

[DonIago]

Taking that sort of long view, one might wonder whether the AQ winning the Dominion War when they did will have actually set them up for worse things to come...

 

[The Wormhole]

the stewards in The Undiscovered Country, the waiters in Ten Forward etc - are also civilians.

Ten Forward's staff are civilians, but the stewards in TUC are presumably Starfleet. They have Starfleet arrowheads on their uniforms after all.
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=54469&fullsize=1

 

[DonIago]

Yeah, I have a hard time seeing Starfleet allowing people to serve on their vessels who are just going from port to port, unless it's like the Karidian troupe.

 

[Henoch]

So if the Federation is projected to have over nine hundred billion casualties during the Dominion War, it should have a population considerably more then one hundred billion.

I stand corrected. In another thread in the TOS era, I was having little luck finding planets/colonies with over one million people, speculating that the then Federation was seriously underpopulated. Apparently, over the last 100 years since TOS, the Federation has grown exponentially in both number of planets and population...seems that it may even have an overpopulation problem brewing.

 

[eschaton]

I stand corrected. In another tread in the TOS era, I was having little luck finding planets/colonies with over one million people, speculating that the then Federation was seriously underpopulated. Apparently, over the last 100 years since TOS, The Federation has grown exponentially in both number of planets and population...seems that it may even have an overpopulation problem brewing.

Federation colonies are very underpopulated, but the homeworlds of each race probably have populations of a similar order of magnitude to 24th century Earth.

The real problem with Starfleet which has never been discussed is why it's like 95%+ human despite the Federation itself canonically not being. My headcanon regarding that is pretty much that Starfleet is just one of many different exploration/defense forces within the Federation - it just happens to be the Earth-based one.

 

[Greg Cox]

We've seen civilian personnel working on Starfleet projects before. Doctor Stubbs in Evolution, Doctor Brahms in Galaxy's Child and Doctor Daystrom in The Ultimate Computer being the most notable examples.

Heck, Lawrence Marvick was a Federation engineer who helped design Kirk's Enterprise. ("Is There in Truth No Beauty?")

 

[Tim Thomason]

Federation colonies are very underpopulated, but the homeworlds of each race probably have populations of a similar order of magnitude to 24th century Earth.

The real problem with Starfleet which has never been discussed is why it's like 95%+ human despite the Federation itself canonically not being. My headcanon regarding that is pretty much that Starfleet is just one of many different exploration/defense forces within the Federation - it just happens to be the Earth-based one.

And Discovery has pretty much confirmed that, at least with regards to the Vulcans having their own defense force.

 

[The Wormhole]

And Discovery has pretty much confirmed that, at least with regards to the Vulcans having their own defense force.

No, actually, Vulcan has an Expeditionary Force in Disco. Probably no more a military than Starfleet is.
#crossingtherubicon

 

[at Quark's]

So if the Federation is projected to have over nine hundred billion casualties during the Dominion War, it should have a population considerably more then one hundred billion.

Except he doesn't actually say those nine hundred billion projected casualties are the Federation's exclusively. There could be 200B klingons, 300B. Romulans, 100B cardies, etc in that tally, for all we know.

(EDIT: of course with massive numbers like these it's still highly likely the total population of the Federation is > 100B. Unless they projected 850B. dead jem' Hadar )

 

[Kor]

Everybody in Starfleet is a civilian according to Picard.

Kor

 

[Tim Thomason]

No, actually, Vulcan has an Expeditionary Force in Disco. Probably no more a military than Starfleet is.
#crossingtherubicon

How much money do you think they pay the military chaplain?

 

[Shawnster]

Everybody in Starfleet is a civilian according to Picard.

Kor

A civilian, by definition, is anyone not in the armed services or the police force. Regardless of the disagreement about whether Starfleet is military or not, the evidence is clear that it is an armed service.

 

[Kor]

A civilian, by definition, is anyone not in the armed services or the police force. Regardless of the disagreement about whether Starfleet is military or not, the evidence is clear that it is an armed service.

My comment was tongue-in-cheek, obviously...

Kor

 

[XCV330]

There are people in the briefing scene in TMP aboard the Enterprise with some sort of civilian id's as well.

 

[Mister Spock]

David Marcus considers Starfleet to be a military in The Wrath of Khan, but he does have a rather anti-Starfleet bias, considering scientists as always having been the "pawns of the military".

 

[MAGolding]

My comment was tongue-in-cheek, obviously...

Kor

Really? Do Klngons even have tongues to put in their cheeks/

 

[MAGolding]

My comment was tongue-in-cheek, obviously...

Kor

Really? Do Klingons even have tongues to put in their cheeks?

 

[Mojochi]

There's a case to be made that at one point, the entirety of Starfleet's hair stylist contingent is not only civilian, but... Bolian

 

[Tenacity]

No, actually, Vulcan has an Expeditionary Force in Disco. Probably no more a military than Starfleet is.

So it's a military then (just like Starfleet). We also hear of a Vulcan defense fleet in TNG, the episode with Spock.

There are people in the briefing scene in TMP aboard the Enterprise with some sort of civilian id's as well.

The Enterprise just complete a major rebuild. civilian contractors still on board perhaps?