Actually, Davros told us his name at the end of the finale.
Doctor Who or The Doctor?
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Davros was going senile. He was thinking of Galactus, and he couldn't even get that right.
I've always thought that!
Too right. One of them is the head of a totalitarian, repressive Empire...and the other one is Palpatine!
Thanks! Yeah, it's hard to top Gwen, I know. But, change is good. Hopefully I'll find something just as sex-ay to replace her with. I mean, besides Colin Baker...
Or as SFX refer to him THE Colin Baker.
Do reckon he could have been a brilliant Doctor if they hadn't treated him a bit crap!
Do reckon he could have been a brilliant Doctor if they hadn't treated him a bit crap!
Absolutely. I loved his fierceness, volatile anger, and uber-arrogance. He was the first Doc to remind me of Hartnell's original portrayal, in a way. But, as has been said in every different way, by generally everyone, he had everything else going against him at the time. The BBC, the outfit, the scripts, the companions, the timeslot...you name it, Colin never stood a chance. And I don't mind people not liking his era. What I hate is when they start slamming the actor and his portrayal as the reason it was shit, when in fact a little research first would prove that incorrect.
I sincerely hope to see him as Doctor Six one more time in my lifetime...
I sincerely hope to see him as Doctor Six one more time in my lifetime...
Exactly right. Let's face it, Hartnell was not a likeable Doctor, but was never supposed to be.
THE Colin Baker was also supposed to be like this, and did a good job.
But the writing started to slide, it wasn't until Sylvester McCoy had settled into the role with Sophie Aldred until it returned to form.
I mean compare The Twin Dilemma to Curse of Fenric for example.
THE Colin Baker was also supposed to be like this, and did a good job.
But the writing started to slide, it wasn't until Sylvester McCoy had settled into the role with Sophie Aldred until it returned to form.
I mean compare The Twin Dilemma to Curse of Fenric for example.
Wow, yeah...what a comparison, eh? Of course, there was a cheaper-than-usual look to Colin's seasons that didn't seem as apparent during the Fenric season. I don't know what the reason for that would be, though. And, I'm sure others might disagree.
Thinking about what it would be like for Colin to reprise the role, sort of brings up a question I've always wondered. Would fandom accept, if Colin came back for a Timecrash-type crossover, him wearing a different outift? I mean, who is to say that he always wore that exact atrocious coat every day/adventure? We've seem him branch out a little in his Dalek episode. So, what if he came back in the 'Big Finish'-Blue outfit? Or maybe a black ensemble, as he always wanted? Would fandom be okay with bending the rules of "continuity" in favor of taste? Or do you think that there would be a majority of sticklers that would "demand" accuracy over improvement?
Thinking about what it would be like for Colin to reprise the role, sort of brings up a question I've always wondered. Would fandom accept, if Colin came back for a Timecrash-type crossover, him wearing a different outift? I mean, who is to say that he always wore that exact atrocious coat every day/adventure? We've seem him branch out a little in his Dalek episode. So, what if he came back in the 'Big Finish'-Blue outfit? Or maybe a black ensemble, as he always wanted? Would fandom be okay with bending the rules of "continuity" in favor of taste? Or do you think that there would be a majority of sticklers that would "demand" accuracy over improvement?
The, I agree completely about them seeming to want to try to do stuff "on the cheap" for the Sixth Doctor.
Basically a couple of kids being kidnapped? The Rani and The Master trying to screw up industrial-revolution England? I dunno, did Baker peeve off the Beeb or something?
Even in his Dalek story, he had Davros and a few Daleks. McCoy got more Daleks, a Special Weapons Dalek, and hell even a full-size Dalek Assault Shuttle, along with expensive location-shooting in London!
Compare the Cyberman stories, Baker got a quarry and studio, with some back-streets, while McCoy got to use Windsor Castle!!
Of course, then they employed a BBC Controller who hated Dr Who and shoved it up against Coronation Street, with no advertising at all.
Basically a couple of kids being kidnapped? The Rani and The Master trying to screw up industrial-revolution England? I dunno, did Baker peeve off the Beeb or something?
Even in his Dalek story, he had Davros and a few Daleks. McCoy got more Daleks, a Special Weapons Dalek, and hell even a full-size Dalek Assault Shuttle, along with expensive location-shooting in London!
Compare the Cyberman stories, Baker got a quarry and studio, with some back-streets, while McCoy got to use Windsor Castle!!
Of course, then they employed a BBC Controller who hated Dr Who and shoved it up against Coronation Street, with no advertising at all.
I think that answers all your questions right there. When TPTB are against their own show, you know something doesn't make sense...
I don't get this at all. Hartnell is loveable, a bonkers, dotty old man, like your favourite eccentric granddad cranked up to eleven. Of course, people like that can have an acerbic side, because one of the great things about being old is that you can be rude and cranky and get away with it. (He is initially hostile with the teachers, because he sees his life and safety as being invaded, but that is just part of his character arc across the initial few episodes.)
Why not? I don't see what continuity's got to do with it. Just because we didn't see the Doctor in a different outfit on screen doesn't mean he didn't wear one. The idea that the Doctor wears one set of clothes and never changes them seems crazy to me. If the only Tom Baker story you'd seen was The Talons of Weng-Chiang, for instance, would you be worried if you suddenly saw him pop up wearing a red jacket and long scarf?
I don't get this at all. Hartnell is loveable, a bonkers, dotty old man, like your favourite eccentric granddad cranked up to eleven. Of course, people like that can have an acerbic side, because one of the great things about being old is that you can be rude and cranky and get away with it. (He is initially hostile with the teachers, because he sees his life and safety as being invaded, but that is just part of his character arc across the initial few episodes.)[/quote]
Ah maybe I was being a little unfair - but he wasn't ever supposed to be a jolly chracter for everyone to get on with. As for lovable, well right from the beginning he was going to clobber a wounded caveman who was slowing them down so they could escape.
Later he mellowed somewhat (I put my hands up here and admit I cannot speak with authority, having only seen Hartnell's portrayal in a few stories, I'm sure others are able to correct me on this). But when he regenerated, there was a complete transformation to the lovable clown of Patrick Troughton's Doctor.
However, I have also heard that part of Hartnell's portrayal could have been due to the rigors of production that forced him to give up the role in the first place.
To me it makes no difference whatsover if a Doctor changes from his normal outfit.
After all, if companions change outfits all the time, makes sense that The Doctor would too, and we have seen him change clothes to sometimes fit better into an environment before, like the aforementioned Talons.
Ah maybe I was being a little unfair - but he wasn't ever supposed to be a jolly chracter for everyone to get on with. As for lovable, well right from the beginning he was going to clobber a wounded caveman who was slowing them down so they could escape.
Later he mellowed somewhat (I put my hands up here and admit I cannot speak with authority, having only seen Hartnell's portrayal in a few stories, I'm sure others are able to correct me on this). But when he regenerated, there was a complete transformation to the lovable clown of Patrick Troughton's Doctor.
However, I have also heard that part of Hartnell's portrayal could have been due to the rigors of production that forced him to give up the role in the first place.
To me it makes no difference whatsover if a Doctor changes from his normal outfit.
After all, if companions change outfits all the time, makes sense that The Doctor would too, and we have seen him change clothes to sometimes fit better into an environment before, like the aforementioned Talons.
Ah now (and this is no criticism of you personally as you say you haven't seen a lot of it) I think there's quite a lot of received wisdom in fandom about the characterization of the first two Doctors that i think is disproved by the actual episodes. The first Doctor is scary, sharp-tongued, commanding and authoritative, because that's the kind of old man character he is, but he's also mischievous, giggling, kind and caring to his companions. I think, after the initial 13 episode arc, when he comes to accept the schoolteachers, the lighter side of his character becomes far more prevalent, even more so through series 2 and 3. By contrast, Troughton can be dark, secretive and obfuscating, moody and manipulative. His clowning is the cover behind which he hides his intellect. He seems sometimes to side with his enemies in order to find out what they want. It's interesting to note that Peter Bryant has said he cast Jon Pertwee as the third Doctor because of his comic acting talents, as a contrast to Troughton whose portrayal he felt had been getting too dark and grim.
Hmmm - well I definately need to catch some more Hartnell/Troughton stories to brush up on that era, having as a kid started from the Pertwee era onwards, my earliest true memory of watching Who being "Planet of the Daleks", as remember them cutting through the door to try to get to them as they escaped up the shaft.
