News Discovery and Trek Continuity
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No, actually. I only watch to find reasons to hate it, Kurzman and Star Trek in general
I also have a deed to the Moon if you are interested.
I do every time I watch the movieEveryone remember, Benedict Cumberbatch is NOT playing Khan!
Everyone remember, Benedict Cumberbatch is NOT playing Khan!
He didn't really anyways. (*Runs*)
This.
Saying the books are "canon to a degree" reminds me of the old lucasfilm tiered canon system. The movies, the books, the comics, games, ect; all were on different tiers of the canon. Only the movies and the Clone Wars animated show were on the top tier. Everything else, well that was just fair game to be either acknowledged or contradicted by the movies or the animated show as they saw fit.
In other words, "canon until contradicted". Which means non-canon.
In truth, the books and the comics and the games of the pre Disney era were never meant to be canon on the movie level. Any words to the effect were just a sales pitch.
Actually, Star Wars had dual canons. For the Lucas universe the canon was composed of the films and TCW. (He also personally line-edited the live-action film novelizations.)
Meanwhile, Lucas Licensing had its own canon because from the get-go they were running their own continuity. Lucas called it the "parallel universe". In the Licensing canon, which of course tried to closely track with whatever Lucas made, they had assorted levels. Lucas's work was at the top, but they also assigned that level to their own descriptions of things he had created (e.g. the name of a random fruit seen in a movie). Then came their own highest-level work, then sub-level work, then stuff that was out whether by design or contradiction by something else.
I imagine a similar concept is in use at Pocket Books or by CBS Consumer Products, to some degree, even if there isn't a formalized database in the Leland Chee mold.
Not really . . . "canon unless contradicted" doesn't mean "non-canon" any more than the Bajoran Provisional Government equalled anarchy.
Nope.
Despite @DSG2k's absolutist and literalist assertions to the contrary, Star Trek's "system of Canon" is simple: what is onscreen is Canon, and what's not onscreen is Non-Canon.
Period.
The Discovery novels are a slight exception to this because of the fact that the series' writing and production staff are consciously treating them as part of the Canon even though, as per David Mack, they're not.
1. You still haven't responded to the fact that you tried to justify this "absolutist" personal pejorative label with a three-pronged claim against me and every attack vector was so obviously and demonstrably wrong.
It's starting to smell more than a bit disingenuous, as if someone who had a weird need to start and "win" a debate but got butthurt decided to just smear, instead. My victory conditions involve adhering to the facts, even if newly-discovered facts contradict what I'd said before. What, praytell, are yours?
2. For someone who decries imagined absolutism in others, you sure seem absolutist, yourself. "Period".
You'd be wrong there. No one on the show team has said the DSC novels are canon. The novel writers are working with the show staff to make sure they stay in continuity with the show, but the show writers are under no obligation to do follow anything the novels do.
In fact the show will contradict the first DSC novel in Season 2 (or maybe Saru's short trek story) with the name of the Kelpien homeworld.
The first novel calls it Kelpia, or something like that, while Season 2 will be calling it something else, I'm having a blank on the name, it was revealed at New York Comic-Con.
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Clearly, as the Enterprise and her uniforms in the novels are clearly the TOS pilot designs whereas onscreen they're redesigned to fit the new DSC aesthetic.
Also that. Specifically I was referencing the Kelpien homeworld name. I edited my post to be more clear.
Wait.
That wasn't a peanut.
THAT WASN'T A PEANUT.
That wasn't a peanut.
THAT WASN'T A PEANUT.
Is there any point to this thread anymore? It's been one guy saying "duck season" and a hundred people saying "rabbit season" for ten pages now over something that is completely irrelevant unless the producers start demanding that the show adheres to things established in the novels, which won't be apparent until after the show is back. Are we keeping this going until then? What is there left to say that hasn't already been said eight to ten pages ago?
And now we're getting into accusations of "butthurt" which is always a good sign.
We're done here.
And now we're getting into accusations of "butthurt" which is always a good sign.
We're done here.
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