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Disco Season 3, "Genesis II", and "Andromeda"

Found it on Amazon Prime US. Starting it up right now.

Also, just noticed Robert Hewitt Wolfe (DS9) was the developer of the show for the first season.
 
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guyute03 said:
Found it on Amazon Prime US. Starting it up right now.

Also, just noticed Robert Hewitt Wolfe (DS9) was the developer of the show for the first season.
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Please get back to us when you have finished a few episodes. Love hearing what other people think of this show.
 
3 episodes in and enjoying it. Getting a late 90's Sci Fi TV vibe and I miss those days dearly. Definitely see how Discovery could do something similar to this in season 3, and am curious where this show goes with the idea of a fallen "Federation".
 
guyute03 said:
3 episodes in and enjoying it. Getting a late 90's Sci Fi TV vibe and I miss those days dearly. Definitely see how Discovery could do something similar to this in season 3, and am curious where this show goes with the idea of a fallen "Federation".
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That is IF they go down that path. Most of what people are saying is speculation.
 
I'm an insomniac. I hate this. But, luckily, that means I'll be putting on the third episode of Andromeda. At some point I have to get back to finishing the Genesis II pilot. Anyway, onto Andromeda!

"To Lose the Fateful Lightning" looks to me so far like a cross between "Miri" (TOS) and Lord of the Flies.

It's horrible that when they run into these kids, the oldest one looks 20. Then Dylan Hunt asks, "Where are the adults? The people my age?" Horrible because in the time since this aired, I've gone from the oldest kids' age to almost Dylan's age. :p

They have "Scriptures" that the kids can't read and "Codes of the Past" that Dylan can unlock. To put it in "Calypso" terms: "Codes of the Past" can just as easily be "Codes from the Long Ago Time". Stuff that Dylan Hunt knows that everyone else doesn't. Or, on DSC, stuff the Discovery crew knows that everyone else doesn't.
 
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Lord Garth said:
I'm an insomniac. I hate this. But, luckily, that means I'll be putting on the third episode of Andromeda. At some point I have to get back to finishing the Genesis II pilot. Anyway, onto Andromeda!

"To Lose the Fateful Lightning" looks to me so far like a cross between "Miri" (TOS) and Lord of the Flies.

It's horrible that when they run into these kids, the oldest one looks 20. Then Dylan Hunt asks, "Where are the adults? The people my age?" Horrible because in the time since this aired, I've gone from the oldest kids' age to almost Dylan's age. :p

They have "Scriptures" that the kids can't read and "Codes of the Past" that Dylan can unlock. To put it in "Calypso" terms: "Codes of the Past" can just as easily be "Codes from the Long Ago Time". Stuff that Dylan Hunt knows that everyone else doesn't. Or, on DSC, stuff the Discovery crew knows that everyone else doesn't.
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Thank you....... For years I've been thinking this episode was just like TOS Miri... I thought maybe I was dreaming that bit. It really does though doesn't it?
 
Cyanide Muffin said:
Thank you....... For years I've been thinking this episode was just like TOS Miri... I thought maybe I was dreaming that bit. It really does though doesn't it?
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Yup. They just changed dying at the onset of puberty to dying at the onset of adulthood. Nassan reminds me of Miri. And at the end of both episodes, the kids try to fight Kirk and Hunt.

These kids in "To Lose the Fateful Lightning" also have a distorted sense of the ways of the Commonwealth because they can't read. So what was passed down was passed down through word-of-mouth. And anything that gets passed down through word of mouth gets distorted over time.

It wouldn't surprise me if something like that happened in the third season of Discovery where records are fragmentary, creating a distorted view of the Long Ago Time.

It would also give them cover if future Star Trek series do something that don't line up with the rest of Discovery because the characters from DSC S3 on might not have all their facts straight.
 
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King Daniel Beyond said:
From the people who made loads of weirdly specific references to ENT during season one?

Common sense says not to bring up elements of unpopular/unsuccessful Trek in their new show. Discovery writers disagree.:shrug:
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What? Because they listed Johnathan Archer as one of the 'greatest' Federation Starship Captains, and referenced ENT S4 - "In A Mirror Darkly" elements in a quick discussion about how to return from the Mirror Universe? <--- That's hardly:
...loads of weirdly specific references to ENT during season one
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IMO.
 
Noname Given said:
What? Because they listed Johnathan Archer as one of the 'greatest' Federation Starship Captains, and referenced ENT S4 - "In A Mirror Darkly" elements in a quick discussion about how to return from the Mirror Universe? <--- That's hardly:

IMO.
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Quickly referenced? Finding the USS Defiant was their Plan A to return when they got to the Mirror Universe! When they got to the palace ship, they were trying to get access to logs of "In a Mirror, Darkly", which they eventually get and realise it's a dead end.
They also went into some detail about "Broken Bow" when speaking about jumping to Kronos at the end of the season.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
Quickly referenced? Finding the USS Defiant was their Plan A to return when they got to the Mirror Universe! When they got to the palace ship, they were trying to get access to logs of "In a Mirror, Darkly", which they eventually get and realise it's a dead end.
They also went into some detail about "Broken Bow" when speaking about jumping to Kronos at the end of the season.
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Oh, ok, so they referenced minute from TWO ENT episodes instead of one. And yes, they still were quick references.
 
Noname Given said:
Oh, ok, so they referenced minute from TWO ENT episodes instead of one. And yes, they still were quick references.
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The plot of an episode was to find the Defiant from "In a Mirror, Darkly"! That's why they were on the palace ship. That's WAY more than a "quick reference"
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
The plot of an episode was to find the Defiant from "In a Mirror, Darkly"! That's why they were on the palace ship. That's WAY more than a "quick reference"
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Actually, the way they talked about it, one could claim they referenced TOS S3 - "The Tholian Web" too; but in the end, yes, it's HORRIBLE that a Star Trek series reference previous episodes of other Star Trek series, I mean what? They expect us to believe all these characters exist in the same Universe...THE HORROR!...oh, wait...

Man, when they don't reference some point of canon that some fan thinks in inviolate, the writers get lambasted. When they DO reference canon, they get accused of 'fan service'; and still get lambasted - damned if they do, damned if they don't.
 
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King Daniel Beyond said:
From the people who made loads of weirdly specific references to ENT during season one?

Common sense says not to bring up elements of unpopular/unsuccessful Trek in their new show. Discovery writers disagree.:shrug:
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Enterprise takes place before Discovery, it's about the only series that could reference at the time, outside of 'The Cage', and events mentioned in other series that happened before DSC.

I'm not seeing the issue with referencing Enterprise. It happened in the lore, why shouldn't they reference it?
 
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Actual non-fan of Enterprise here. If anyone of us should have an issue with the references, it's me. And I'm not bothered by them referring to ENT.

Besides that, wanting to find the Defiant was a reason to make Burnhman, Tyler, Tilly, and Lorca head for the ISS Shenzhou. After the Shenzhou runs into the Charon and Emperor Georgiou finds out Burnham's from the Prime Universe, she immediately tells her going to the Defiant is a waste of time. Which is fine, because the story wasn't about finding the Defiant. The story was about getting Burnham onto the Shenzhou so Georgiou could wonder what was going on.

And since "In the Mirror Darkly" was already being referenced, you might as well have Georgiou know about it so Burnham doesn't have to go through the motions of explaining the Prime Universe to her. It saves the episode time and it saves us the time of watching Burnham explain the Prime Universe to her. Anyway, if Georgiou didn't already know about alternate universes, I doubt she would've believed Burnham, which means they'd never team up to fight Lorca.
 
Mr. Laser Beam said:
I don’t want the Federation to fall. Not now, not ever.

It basically makes all of existing Trek worthless. If the Federation is destined to fall, what’s the point of anything? Even the Pike series we all want to see, would be all for nothing. :(

That said, DSC will have a hell of a lot of explaining to do if it wants us to believe that a Daniels-level Federation could ever be destroyed...I mean, how could a Federation that has absolutely mastered time travel, ever be wiped out? :wtf:
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The wrong person gets ahold of that time travel technology, and that entire advanced Federation blinks out of existance instantly.
 
I remember loving "Genesis II" back in the day.

Mind you, I was only thirteen at the time . . ...
 
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