If you were to read the books that were made after the end up deep space nine and TNG. They talk about the recovery and rebuilding efforts of the Federation after the Dominion war and after the Borg supercrisis in the destiny trilogy. In the books outsiders have started to notice the change in Starfleet. In fact one Breen commander says that back in the day Starfleet was little more than scientist who explored and then occasionally defended their homes. Then they can bring commander says that now Starfleet is now acting more like a military but is still an exploration agency. That’s the Federation believe that a explore first defend second starfleet cannot defend them anymore so they have to change it So what’s your opinion did the Dominion war change the way Starfleet operates or are they still the same explores they were before the war. I know it’s probably gonna be hard to answer this question since I doubt everybody has read the books. But you can see a little bit of it in Star Trek nemesis whenever Starfleet has battle groups.
Did Starfleet change after the Dominion war
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The Dominion war and the Borg attacks were the reasons Starfleet changed. Enterprise D crash landed. Starfleet backed away from having families on board most of its Ships. That's one of the changes.
Even Picard wanted to have the times of exploration and adventures back.
Even Picard wanted to have the times of exploration and adventures back.
On-screen we see too little of the Post-War Alpha Quadrant but I get the sense that Starfleet will have changed. They can't count on the Dominion never turning on the Federation again, Odo or not, and if travel across quadrants becomes easier -- to the point where they don't have to depend on the Wormhole -- then the Dominion being so far away won't protect them. I think Starfleet would build itself up to take on this hypothetical threat.
The Federation is a peacekeeper but it can't keep the peace if it can't take on the Dominion. And, even at the end of DS9, they really couldn't because most of the Dominion were cut off from the Alpha Quadrant. If they weren't cut off, I think the war would've lasted two weeks, not two seasons.
The Federation is a peacekeeper but it can't keep the peace if it can't take on the Dominion. And, even at the end of DS9, they really couldn't because most of the Dominion were cut off from the Alpha Quadrant. If they weren't cut off, I think the war would've lasted two weeks, not two seasons.
We’ll find out soon on Picard & Friends.
I imagine there was a wave of fear and they struggled to find a balance between idealism and pragmatism. And settled on an attitude that a strong military is needed to protect their perfect world. Maybe more skepticism and rolling back the notion of taking on all risk on principle.
I think the fact that Starfleet allowed Odo to cure the Founders will prevent them from attacking. The Founders whole motive for attacking is experience being hunted by solids and trying to dominate solids to protect themselves. The Federation made a solid gesture that they won’t come murder them.
I imagine there was a wave of fear and they struggled to find a balance between idealism and pragmatism. And settled on an attitude that a strong military is needed to protect their perfect world. Maybe more skepticism and rolling back the notion of taking on all risk on principle.
I think the fact that Starfleet allowed Odo to cure the Founders will prevent them from attacking. The Founders whole motive for attacking is experience being hunted by solids and trying to dominate solids to protect themselves. The Federation made a solid gesture that they won’t come murder them.
Only in the same sense that any war will have lasting changes on the nations involved and their militaries.
During TNG, we learned somewhat to our surprise that the UFP is constantly at war. The luxurious ships full of children are in fact the product of a nation at war - perhaps even a key ingredient in winning those wars, by convincing the enemies of the utter futility of even attempting to inconvenience the mighty Federation with something as puny as an invasion.
That defeating the Dominion took a bit more than defeating/ignoring the Cardassians or the Talarians or the Tholians or whomever... Need not mean much. The Federation triumphed in the end, and the core world people only had that one moment of brief fright when the Breen pockmarked San Francisco. Starfleet would know better, but we never learned that defeating the Dominion would have required change of any sort in Starfleet doctrine or technology.
Timo Saloniemi
That defeating the Dominion took a bit more than defeating/ignoring the Cardassians or the Talarians or the Tholians or whomever... Need not mean much. The Federation triumphed in the end, and the core world people only had that one moment of brief fright when the Breen pockmarked San Francisco. Starfleet would know better, but we never learned that defeating the Dominion would have required change of any sort in Starfleet doctrine or technology.
Timo Saloniemi
Very likely it changed following the Dominion war, but it has no doubt changed numerous times over the centuries it has been around. The Starfleet of the early-mid 24th century was likely different from the Starfleet of the mid-late 23rd century. Come the early 24th century the Romulans had all but withdrawn into their borders, the Praxis incident had warmed relations with the Klingons and aside from a few border skirmish's such as with the Cardassian's, Tzenkethi and the Talarains it seemed to be a relative era of peace so Starfleet likely took it's eye of the ball when it came to Defence. Sure Starfleet ships could still pack a punch but there is more to defence than simply powerful weapons.
Yeah but if your read the books the Borg super crisis
Listen I am practically a military junkie so you don’t need to tell me there’s more than just a powerful weapon. I know like battle strategy. So where are you thought you think it will change.
Yeah, I think the Federation's Propaganda Machine was on overdrive in the 2360s. By the mid-2370s, they couldn't hide behind it anymore.
Yeah it always annoy me how they always thought they were invulnerable and that they could always win
But then again it makes sense I mean there is no way that the Cardassians could ever invade the Federation. And kurn and worf were right if the Federation and Klingons went to war it may take a while but the Federation will win. To put it in one way federation is a peaceful entity but sometimes it must use their teeth
Sorry about that still trying to figure out the Multi quote
My first thought upon seeing the three title was, “No, but the fabase has. We’re living in a self-destructive world so we want to destroy our heroes instead of admitting we’re failing them.”
Actually it’s a TV show, so the Cardassians could have easily invaded the Federation.
The Klingons nearly did win the war with the Federation in TNG’s “Yesterday’s Enterprise.”
And the Federation doesn’t need to be anymore militaristic than it already is, usually besting entire societies dedicated to imperial expansion and rising to the occasion to best super-civilizations that threaten it. I have a feeling that certain fans sitting at computers talking about fake weapons care more about the militarization of space and Star Trek than anywhere Starfleet needs to change.
I imagine the Federation is still pouring tons into R&D to combat the Borg, especially after Janeway killed a queen and blew up a transwarp hub, but the majority of the fleet is trying to rebuild itself, their ally Klingons, their enemy Cardassians, and maintain order where now the power vacuums permit chaos and upstarts.
Actually it’s a TV show, so the Cardassians could have easily invaded the Federation.
The Klingons nearly did win the war with the Federation in TNG’s “Yesterday’s Enterprise.”
And the Federation doesn’t need to be anymore militaristic than it already is, usually besting entire societies dedicated to imperial expansion and rising to the occasion to best super-civilizations that threaten it. I have a feeling that certain fans sitting at computers talking about fake weapons care more about the militarization of space and Star Trek than anywhere Starfleet needs to change.
I imagine the Federation is still pouring tons into R&D to combat the Borg, especially after Janeway killed a queen and blew up a transwarp hub, but the majority of the fleet is trying to rebuild itself, their ally Klingons, their enemy Cardassians, and maintain order where now the power vacuums permit chaos and upstarts.
Starfleet started to change with the Borg threat, before Wolf 359. As stated in BOBW, Starfleet was working on new defensive systems.
Sisko worked on the Defiant project before DS9, which focused on building a fast attack battleship to combat the Borg.
So long before the Dominion, Starfleet and the Federation were already preparing for an invasion and war.
Sisko worked on the Defiant project before DS9, which focused on building a fast attack battleship to combat the Borg.
So long before the Dominion, Starfleet and the Federation were already preparing for an invasion and war.
And they weren’t preparing for the Klingons the entire time we’ve known them? Or the Romulans before? They didn’t battle with the Talarians, Tzenkethi, Tholians, or Gorn? The Zalkonians and the Jarada weren’t to be monitored?
Defense was always what they did.
The difference that happened with the Borg is that they found out they needed exponentially stronger weapons, and that doesn’t change the nature of their mandate or the fleet. They would not be helped by increasing fleet size by a facor of five or restructuring the Federation into the First Federal Empire. They needed to develop new weapons as they always have, and that’s what they mounted onto existing ships, like the Lakota and, presumably, all those Mirandas going up against a 2000-year reich Dominion.
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Sure. But the Starfleet at the start of TNG and at the end of DS9 is radically different. TNG seemed to be a great era of exploration and that started changing after the Borg encounter in "Q Who."
Nah, before the Dominion War the Cardassians weren't really all that powerful. In The Wounded, the Enterprise owns a Galor with only a few shots, and that's after the Enterprise was attacked without their shields up. And then a Nebula class ship tore ass through Cardassian space, even after the Cardassians obtained the ship's prefix code. Launching an invasion of the Federation before the War would not have worked out for the Cardassians at all.
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