Did Spock's actions kill... [Spoilers]?

[urbandk]

Re: Spock killed his mother

His mistake was putting the lady at the edge of the cliff. That's kind of an obvious no no, isn't it?

Amanda's got a brain; it was her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking: seismic activity = don't stand on the edge.

word.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Spock did not kill Amanda. Spock did not let Amanda die. Spock tried to save Amanda, but failed. I'm guessing he did the best he could (I haven't seen the film yet). Sometimes you can try your best at something and still lose. That doesn't mean you were negligent, it just means that your opponent won. Nobody is perfect, not even Spock.

Would you hold Spock responsible for what happened to Vulcan itself? No? Then why this?

 

[indranee]

Re: Spock killed his mother

Spock's breakfast is irrelevant. Any dillydallying he did once he knew the situation on/in Vulcan is relevant.

Spock stopped to provide Uhura exposition that would pay off later in the story. Amanda was going to die by the writer's pen regardless.

By that logic Nero isn't a murderer, since a writer wrote his actions into the story.

okay, I take back my last post.

how old ARE you anyway?

 

[T'Paul]

Oh sweet jesus mary and joseph... people tell people what they are doing in the course of work. he's the commander. he needs to let people know why he does stuff.

Vulcan had minutes left in existence. I think the explanation could have waited until he got back.

your logic is silly, and i think you know it.

My logic is impeccable.

besides, it's a story, people in the audience need to know stuff too. spock did the best he could. he didn't quite have enough time.

He could have explained when he got back.

if he hadn't said anything, amanda still would have died, because she had to for the story.

That may be, but at least Spock wouldn't appear to have killed his mother with his negligence.

did spock really have to die at the end of TWOK? of course not. the writers could have decided that the warp drive worked in the nick of time anyways. but it makes a better story.

did sulu really have to arrive in the excelsior at the right moment in TUC? no, he could have been an hour late and the E destroyed. but he didn't.

did Kirk have to be beamed off the constellation right in time for it to destroy the doomsday machine? no, he could have died.

jesus, you could do this for every episode and movie ever.

That shit is all off-topic. This is the Star Trek XI forum.

Anyway, just because some other episode or movie has problems doesn't mean that this movie should have them.

 

[commodore64]

Re: Spock killed his mother

His mistake was putting the lady at the edge of the cliff. That's kind of an obvious no no, isn't it?

Amanda's got a brain; it was her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking: seismic activity = don't stand on the edge.

Well, to be fair, it wasn't an edge at first. This is going to sound mean, but from a writing perspective, I liked that Amanda died. It makes Spock a very tragic figure. (I mean that in the writing sense, not that he's a basket case.)

 

[Jeri]

Spock did not kill his mother; lack of time was not the thing that killed her. Standing on the edge of the precipice is what killed her.

All the others were saved, regardless of Spock's explanation. They were saved because of their location.

 

[DaveyNY]

I agree with C-64...

When they first come out of the cave, they were no where near the edge...

It became the edge, when half the frackin' mountain fell into the hole!

She had no idea this was happining, as she couldn't see over the edge from her vantage point, till the whole thing started sliding with her on it!!

And neither could Spock. By the time he reacted to the situation it was too frackin' late!!

Destiny (and the Writer's Imagination) was working against them both...

 

[T'Paul]

Spock did not kill his mother; lack of time was not the thing that killed her. Standing on the edge of the precipice is what killed her.

All the others were saved, regardless of Spock's explanation. They were saved because of their location.

If she had been at the same spot a few seconds earlier, she would have survived.

 

[Jeri]

Spock did not kill his mother; lack of time was not the thing that killed her. Standing on the edge of the precipice is what killed her.

All the others were saved, regardless of Spock's explanation. They were saved because of their location.

If she had been at the same spot a few seconds earlier, she would have survived.

It's called an accident. The others were in the right place at the same time.

 

[commodore64]

^ I said it wasn't Spock's fault earlier in the thread. (Although I do think his emotional reaction caused the transporter lock to fail. Still, not Spock's fault.)

I was just quibbling the minor details about Amanda standing on the edge. Definitely Vulcan being destroyed killed her. Not Spock.

Destiny (and the Writer's Imagination) was working against them both...

Indeed. And good on them. I like that bit of writing. Poor Spock!

 

[Jeri]

^ ^ The loss of Amanda makes me wonder if they will show Nimoy Spock telling Quinto Spock about her; the older Spock knew her a long time. It could be nice moments.

 

[ed629]

I thought of that too... so it could be more accurate that Uhura's actions may of killed Amanda. But then Spock arriving earlier could have put him in a different beam down point, or Amanda would have been crushed by the statue, rocks or any number of other things.... as we saw in the TNG episode Parallels with Worf every single action spawns a multitude of different realties. We only saw the one where Amanda fell to her death.

 

[Dale]

Spock did not kill his mother; lack of time was not the thing that killed her. Standing on the edge of the precipice is what killed her.

All the others were saved, regardless of Spock's explanation. They were saved because of their location.

If she had been at the same spot a few seconds earlier, she would have survived.

You still haven't responded to the one point, posted earlier, that leaves you high and dry. Spock beamed down the instant the transporter was available. Until that very moment it was tied up retrieving Kirk and Sulu. He could not possibly have gone any sooner. You fail.

 

[T'Paul]

Spock did not kill his mother; lack of time was not the thing that killed her. Standing on the edge of the precipice is what killed her.

All the others were saved, regardless of Spock's explanation. They were saved because of their location.

If she had been at the same spot a few seconds earlier, she would have survived.

You still haven't responded to the one point, posted earlier, that leaves you high and dry. Spock beamed down the instant the transporter was available. Until that very moment it was tied up retrieving Kirk and Sulu. He could not possibly have gone any sooner. You fail.

The transporter could have been used while Spock was running around down on Vulcan. You fail.

The other transporters could have been used at any point after the drill shut down and the magic transporter stopper field went away. You fail again.

 

[Dale]

If she had been at the same spot a few seconds earlier, she would have survived.

You still haven't responded to the one point, posted earlier, that leaves you high and dry. Spock beamed down the instant the transporter was available. Until that very moment it was tied up retrieving Kirk and Sulu. He could not possibly have gone any sooner. You fail.

The transporter could have been used while Spock was running around down on Vulcan. You fail.

You're saying Spock could have beamed up his mother before he rescued her?

The other transporters could have been used at any point after the drill shut down and the magic transporter stopper field went away. You fail again.

This film only shows us the existence of one transporter on the Enterprise. You must be thinking of one of the old TV series.

Laughing graemlins add nothing to your argument and simply reveal you for the rank amateur you clearly are. The more of them you use, the less seriously you are taken.

 

[T'Paul]

You still haven't responded to the one point, posted earlier, that leaves you high and dry. Spock beamed down the instant the transporter was available. Until that very moment it was tied up retrieving Kirk and Sulu. He could not possibly have gone any sooner. You fail.

The transporter could have been used while Spock was running around down on Vulcan. You fail.

You're saying Spock could have beamed up his mother before he rescued her?

The other transporters could have been used at any point after the drill shut down and the magic transporter stopper field went away. You fail again.

This film only shows us the existence of one transporter on the Enterprise. You must be thinking of one of the old TV series.

Laughing graemlins add nothing to your argument and simply reveal you for the rank amateur you clearly are. The more of them you use, the less seriously you are taken.

In any event, he could have saved enough time by not screwing around with his phaser on the transporter pad. You fail a third time.

For someone who cares so much about being taken seriously, you sure say "You fail" a lot.

 

[Dale]

Uh huh.

Welcome to the board.

 

[T'Paul]

Welcome to the board.

Thanks! Welcome to the board to you too.

 

[indranee]

Re: Spock killed his mother

His mistake was putting the lady at the edge of the cliff. That's kind of an obvious no no, isn't it?

Amanda's got a brain; it was her fault. That's exactly what I was thinking: seismic activity = don't stand on the edge.

Well, to be fair, it wasn't an edge at first. This is going to sound mean, but from a writing perspective, I liked that Amanda died. It makes Spock a very tragic figure. (I mean that in the writing sense, not that he's a basket case.)

EGG...SAC... LEE.

 

[indranee]

Welcome to the board.

Thanks! Welcome to the board to you too.

GET A ROOM, YOU TWO, AND LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE.